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    I’m trying to reconcile what scripture says with the common belief that abortion is murder. Can anyone point me to scripture that builds that gap?

    Then you return to the very problem that you argue others are creating. The Bible is not clear as to when personhood begins, although it does date Adam's personhood to when God breathed life into him. You assign a time for personhood to a fetus without any clear guidance as to when that...
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    I’m trying to reconcile what scripture says with the common belief that abortion is murder. Can anyone point me to scripture that builds that gap?

    And the fetus that is endangering the life of the mother is "innocent", even though it is the specific cause of the danger? Extrapolating form historic records that were kept back to biblical times, likely 1 in 4 pregnancies resulted in the death of the mother, the infant or both. That implies...
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    I’m trying to reconcile what scripture says with the common belief that abortion is murder. Can anyone point me to scripture that builds that gap?

    And how closely the align is determined by each individual's understanding of what scripture teaches, just as are many other doctrines that get debated. Some see the Trinity clearly expressed in scripture, others do not some see OSAS while others do not, and there are multiple other such points.
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    I’m trying to reconcile what scripture says with the common belief that abortion is murder. Can anyone point me to scripture that builds that gap?

    Who are the "innocent"? And while the exact term "suicide" is not used in the Bible, the Hebrew does recognize a way of describing death by one's own hand and does use the term in scripture. Pornography is likewise a modern term based on a Greek word that appears in the NT.
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    False teaching by separating Scripture from Scripture

    An observation that might resolve this issue, is being a sinner the result of making specific sinful actions or is it a statement about one's state of being. It would seem that if it is the result of making specific sinful acts then one can only be a forgiven sinner by being forgiven after...
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    I’m trying to reconcile what scripture says with the common belief that abortion is murder. Can anyone point me to scripture that builds that gap?

    So, when the Bible is silent it is silent and any statements about what it says become pure human conjecture. That means if the Bible does not mention abortion one way or the other, any "biblical" comments about abortion are pure human conjecture.
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    I’m trying to reconcile what scripture says with the common belief that abortion is murder. Can anyone point me to scripture that builds that gap?

    I might note on this matter that a Jewish understanding is that personhood is linked to life and occurs when the first breath is taken based on the creation of Adam, who was made by God but did not become a living being until God breathed life into him, after his formation. And while scripture...
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    I’m trying to reconcile what scripture says with the common belief that abortion is murder. Can anyone point me to scripture that builds that gap?

    I tend to concur with the idea that a person should be recognized as alive when human pattern brain waves can be detected that is at least consistent with our understanding of death. After brain waves cease, there are living human cells that could in theory be protected and encouraged to grow...
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    Bonjour cher frères et sœurs

    Welcome YolandaDivina, you are reminding me that I have let my foreign languages lapse. I used to be fluent in French and a couple others, but I have not used them in far too long. Explore the forums, find what sounds like an interesting topic and join in.
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    So blessed but still somehow lonely

    For many years I was in a similar situation to what you sound like you are in, helping and suppoorti9ng others while not getting help and support from anyone physical. Such can be an intense burden. I have no magic words of guidance for you though. I was lucky enough to finally find someone...
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    What is the age of accountability?

    Sin is first recognized in Genesis 4:7. Now the question of whether physical death was a planned part of creation or not is a far different question, but paleontology would imply that it was. Spiritual death becomes a different question, but spiritual death and physical death are different...
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    What is the age of accountability?

    I am not certain what you are looking for that is not obvious. Adam had a relationship with God that was unlike what any other human had until Jesus at least. So what are you looking for? Your question makes about as much sense as if I cited Psalm 23 in support of my position without any...
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    What is the age of accountability?

    God's law was present before the Mosaic law came into being. The Mosaic law was specifically for the group that would eventually become Israel/the Jews.
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    What is the age of accountability?

    When God issued a command to Adam the law came into existence. Sin was first acknowledged in the matter of Cain and Abel. Both these events are safely before Moses.
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    What is the age of accountability?

    This can be a com plicated question. Part of the problem is, just what is 'Sin". It is a violation of "the law", but what law? God gave a command to Adam not to eat of the fruit of the specific tree or he would die. Now was the commandment due to God's will or was it given to prevent Adam...
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    Apologetics: witnessing to atheists

    you describe a life of pain that I would have a hard time dealing with. I used to know a healer who could help with such levels of pain in anyone except herself, but unfortunately, she has passed, but fortunately she is now out of pain. She used a lot of meditation to help with her pain, she...
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    Apologetics: witnessing to atheists

    I would respond to your three questions with: 1) Were the accounts of Jesus specifically written to include these prophesies? Studies of Judaism in the 1st century reveal the acceptance of many prophesies that have been largely ignored by Christian tradition. 2) We actually have very limited...
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    Apologetics: witnessing to atheists

    And not only highlight where scripture is silent, but al;so attempt to correct where we misunderstand scripture, perhaps due to silences.
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    Not Christian but curious

    Welcome Mo_mo, I, for one, welcome Muslim brothers into friendly discussions about our differing but related faiths. I doubt that Ismal would have arisen without Judaic-Christian influences. The Trinity is a problem for Christians to understand most accept it and fumble around to find an...
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    False teaching by separating Scripture from Scripture

    I often see Romans 7 as referring to Paul, might I inquire as to when you think that Paul, born well after the law was given to humanity, was not under the authority of the law prior to his conversion? Now I know that many. perhaps most, people are unaware of the ancient literary practice of...