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  1. Kavik

    The tongues that are...

    Yes, exactly - If the history of the Pentecost movement is examined, one fact is very clear: at some point, between 1906 and 1907, the Pentecostal church was compelled to re-examine the narrative of Scripture with respect to “tongues”. The reason for this re-examination was that it quickly...
  2. Kavik

    The tongues that are...

    It depends on who you ask - for me the term Christian is a broad term, but for others, it seems to be very specific to only a handful of denominations; most, at least in my experience, revolving around whether one is 'born again/saved' or not.
  3. Kavik

    The tongues that are...

    Correct - I am not 'born again', if that's what you're asking.
  4. Kavik

    The tongues that are...

    This is a discussion forum; by its very nature the expectation and assumption is that any poster may be quoted in a reply – that’s part and parcel of a discussion forum. If you do not wish to be quoted; refrain from posting on a given thread.
  5. Kavik

    The tongues that are...

    OK - but the point is, what is being described in the narrative is nothing more than real, rational language; not modern tongues-speech.
  6. Kavik

    The tongues that are...

    How would you define it? It defininetely is not modern tongues-speech, nor is it xenoglossy.
  7. Kavik

    The tongues that are...

    Where exactly do you find that? At Pentecost, the Holy Spirit gave the 12 apostles what in the Greek text is “apophtheggesthai” – usually translated as “to give utterance”. This is not, however, the most accurate translation of this Greek word, but it’s the one that has come to be the more or...
  8. Kavik

    The tongues that are...

    See my original post - ‘Tongues’ (read, *‘languages’* ) – the divine gift, is the God given ability effortlessly learn to speak and be understood through real-language barriers. It is not xenoglossy, nor is it modern tongues-speech.
  9. Kavik

    The tongues that are...

    With respect to Peter and Cornelius, we have to put this into a bit of quick historical perspective from what we know about Roman soldiers. Given that Cornelius commanded a unit known as the “Italian Regiment”, one may surmise that he was from Italy (Latin, “Italia”) and that his native language...
  10. Kavik

    The tongues that are...

    “Tongues of angels” is frequently used as a vehicle to posit ‘angelic speech’. That entire phrase, as well as a few others in that particular part of Paul’s letter, is 100% pure textbook hyperbole no matter how one wishes to slice and dice it. There’s just no getting around that. In all...
  11. Kavik

    The tongues that are...

    Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles – it stands to reason he would use his knowledge of foreign languages more than the average person to spread the Gospel, and thanked God for giving him the ability to do so. A frequent use of foreign languages was sort of part of his “job description”. It...
  12. Kavik

    The tongues that are...

    Yep - that passage that many like to quote to posit 'angelic speech" is textbook hyperbole. In all instances of angels speaking, it has always been in a real, rational language. In fact, in traditional Jewish belief, angels can only speak and understand one language; specifically, the...
  13. Kavik

    The tongues that are...

    I'm pretty sure everyone knows that "unknown" with respect to 'tongues' is a 16th century addition to the texts - the word used simply means "language". It's unfortunate that this archaic term "tongue(s)" in reference to language is still used in Biblical texts. There is absolutely nothing...
  14. Kavik

    Did Isaiah speak in tongues in Isaiah 28:10

    And a few from Hebrew - Ari - lion Dov - bear Kaleb/Caleb - dog Namir - leopard Here's a few more - Conan - hound/wolf (Gaelic) Ulv/Ulf/Ulvr - wolf (Germanic) Tangi - fire dog (Breton) Corvin - raven (Latin) Philip - horse lover (Greek) And let's not forget a slew of English names...
  15. Kavik

    Did Isaiah speak in tongues in Isaiah 28:10

    Of course he did - Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles – it stands to reason he would use his knowledge of foreign languages more than the average person to spread the Gospel, and thanked God for giving him the ability to do so. A frequent use of foreign languages was sort of part of his “job...
  16. Kavik

    Did Isaiah speak in tongues in Isaiah 28:10

    Not as easy a task as you might think. The language of the speaker maybe able to be identified by the audience ("Hey, I think that guy's speaking Gaulish - sounds like something I've heard in my travels"), but finding a translator can be a whole other story.
  17. Kavik

    Did Isaiah speak in tongues in Isaiah 28:10

    Actually Paul says no such thing - he simply admonishes that at a public setting, if a person wishes to pray aloud in his native language that no one else speaks/understands, to secure a translator such that all may benefit, elsewise keep silent and pray to himself and God.
  18. Kavik

    Did Isaiah speak in tongues in Isaiah 28:10

    No, this is not at all a reference to tongues-speech. In short, it is a reference specifically to the Assyrian language. Seeing the Jews will not hear God speaking by his prophets and ministers, in their own language, they will now hear their enemies speaking to them in a strange language. He...
  19. Kavik

    Did Isaiah speak in tongues in Isaiah 28:10

    Well, as a linguist, I have a very different view of modern tongues-speech.
  20. Kavik

    Did Isaiah speak in tongues in Isaiah 28:10

    Sorry, I have to completely disagree - it's not gibberish so much as just a nonsense sentence. The words, though people don't seem to be able to make sense of them, are Hebrew words; i.e., unlike tongues-speech, they are real rational language. I tend to think it's the Isaiah's imitation of his...