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Every FWer here has clearly IMPLIED that ultimately it's their efficacious "freewill" that saved them, since God is merely a potential savior who presents opportunities for every man, woman and child on the planet to become saved.

No, but he has very special, efficacious grace that God gives only to the humble. Faith proceeds from grace.

And efficacious grace in that verse precedes faith. :rolleyes:

Job very likely lived before Abraham!

Which also means that you deny Jesus' Great Commission commandment. And BTW...Jesus didn't qualify what he said in v. 20. He placed no time limits in the verse.

Just not from FWers, Tex. And welcome to the 'hood.

If you believe the elect's High Priest's prayer was totally efficacious, then how can you not believe in the efficacy of God's saving grace? Heck...you don't even believe, as a professing believer, that you're a daughter of Abraham for crying our loud! :rolleyes:

Aw, 'cmon! Not even a tiny, microscopic scintilla of synergism whereby man's "freewill" can be squeezed in? :p

Exactly! And here's the real kicker with Jn 17: In order for any FWer to deny the efficacy of God's saving grace, they would have to equally deny the efficacy of the very prayer of their professed High Priest; for Jesus prayed for only those the Father gave to Him. And Jesus clearly said that...

How often did Jesus silence his hateful critics? Don't you consider yourself, as a professing believer, to be a son of Abraham?

Do you get the impression that FWers are not very fond of Jn 17 because it runs counter to their false gospel!? Take RDBD, as an example. Originally, she told us that Jesus prayed only for the 11. :rolleyes: Then she finally had to admit that He did pray for a second group, never thanking me...

More lies from the pit of hell! You are just like your spiritual father who never quits lying! Luke 7:50 50 Jesus said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace." NIV Luke 8:48 48 Then he said to her, "Daughter, your faith has healed you. Go in peace." NIV Luke 17:19 19 Then...

But Jesus did pray to those who would be evangelized by the 11 (and other disciples Jesus had during his first century ministry) and who would come to believe that Jesus was sent by God. Since you reject the very clear teaching of Jn 17, then you must not consider yourself to be part of that...

False! All the elect, including OT saints, have been in Christ since eternity past. There is absolutely no salvation OUTSIDE of Christ. Never has been and never will be. The only difference between the Old and New Covenants is that the latter reveals far more than the Old does.

Nope. The "those" who were given to Christ in v. 20 are the same "those" in v.24. However, another very feasible understanding of v. 24 is since "all those you have given to him" (v.2) appears in v. 20 as well...AND v. 21 starts with "that all of THEM may be one", (i.e. the 11 and the second...

Is this grace of God that is His "working policy" effectual or ineffectual?

Yes, the 11 knew that Jesus was the Sent One. But that doesn't change the fact that He prayed for THEM and for all THOSE who would believe on him through their preaching. He just didn't pray for the 11 (v. 20). God didn't give just the 11 to Him. This is why all the ones given to Christ by...

A believer who loved the wages of his wickedness? :rolleyes:

So, Job didn't persevere in the faith by God's grace? Job gets all the credit for persevering by the power of his mighty will?

The only worth any believer has in his/her identity and union with their Federal Head. Christ is ALL (Col 3:11)! This is why the saints will humbly cast their crowns before His feet (Rev 4:10-11).