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And you're still out of your mind! What parts of Jn 17:2, 24 can't you understand?

The only spiritual "insight" Genez has is into his own very dark nether regions where the sun never shines.

What a load of horse manure! Christ alone is the only means of God's deserving grace. Grace is based entirely on what Christ earned for God's chosen people! No sinner in this universe deserves God's grace at any time!

Conflate, conflate, conflate. Must be your Top Word of the Month? :rolleyes: I didn't conflate anything. But now that you finally acknowledge that Jesus did in fact pray for TWO (2) groups of people in Jn 17, why do you still marvel that I cited Jesus' Good Shepherd Discourse in Jn 10 to...

I didn't veer away from anything -- except YOUR personal presuppositions -- your false premises. Instead I thoroughly refuted all your falsehoods with biblical premises and presuppositions. And why are you so disingenuous? If I replied and didn't cite or quote any scripture to answer you, you...

RBDB wrote in part in her 33,300: Why did I jump to an "unrelated passage in John 10"? I cited this latter chapter because I can count much better than you can. If you actually pinched yourself and bothered to wake yourself up from your sleep of death, you would see that Jesus prayed for TWO...

So now you're playing the role of the devil's jokester, are you? Your inane reply just magically refutes all the scriptures I cited in my 33,306? :rolleyes:

Since you can't be transparent and answer a simple question with an honest, straightforward answer, then I'm left to infer from your non-answer that you consider yourself worthy of God's saving grace. Since FWT is deeply rooted in Pride, I'm not surprised at all at your reluctance to answer...

Rufus said: First, God's saving grace is limited to the humble, per numerous scriptures. It appears you have absolutely no understanding of the biblical doctrines of of the Mystical Union of Christ or his Federal Headship. To answer your question...

Quoted in part from RDBD's 33,330: The text above does not teach that God loves each and every person in the world in the distributive sense; You are reading that into the passage! There are NUMEROUS other texts that outfight contradict your lame interpretation. First, neither the Father...

Then you would conclude wrongly! Your logic is totally skewed; for there is a third option that you conveniently overlook: The saints' Federal Head is the only one who totally merited the salvation of all God's elect for whom He died. Now answer my question that you ducked: As a professing...

Lesser than what or who? And are you worthy of God's saving grace?

I have another question for all you FWers, if you have the backbone to answer: Are any of you, who profess Christ as your Lord and Savior, children of Abraham? Yes or no?

You kick off the New Year on the right footing since you just confessed that you're a heretic. You FWers, too, believe that the Atonement is limited in the qualitative sense. Christ died for all w/o exception even though the Father never gave the entire world w/o exception to Jesus.

What does that even mean: "lost as lesser non-deserving"?

And this explains nicely why none of you FWers "KNOW and understand", since NONE of you believe that you're helpless, weak, fragile, vulnerable little children in the eyes of God. If you had any true spiritual understanding, you would understand that God's paternal love for his chosen people...

But man's depraved HEART within his evil nature does! All man's faculties are in his heart, which is desperately wicked and deceitful above all else.

What man-exalting garbage you post! If A&E were "perfectly holy" in their nature, they would NOT have have been able to sin, anymore than God is able to sin in his perfect holy nature. Moreover, if A&E were "perfectly holy" in their nature and yet somehow had the spiritual ability to...