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Do you consider yourself, then, to be a child of God? And when you grew up as a child in your patents' house, did either of your parents ever impose their will upon you?

Then you need to humbly bow your face to the ground and plead with the Great Physician to restore your sight. First, did not Jesus speak of two flocks in the Good Shepherd Discourse in Jn 10:16? So, who do you think the "those" are in Jn 17:20? And who do you think the "them" are in the verse?

The Gentile world does believe that God sent the Messiah because that world consists of numerous descendants of Abraham who are the second flock of God's sheep.

You're delusional.

It was asked of CV5 the day before yesterday. But that's okay...don't trouble yourself; for I know I would never get an honest answer from you. For example CV thinks that because the ancient Hebrews freely chose with their "freewill" to keep the first Passover in Egypt, it was their freewill...

Context counts. The "world" in v.23 is the second flock of GENTILE sheep who are scattered all throughout the earth. God loves all of Abraham's descendants who are in a covenant of love relationship with Him. .

Why should I go listen to Thieme when a huge fan, protege and student of him like yourself cannot give a straightforward, honest answer to the simple Exodus question I asked yesterday, albeit to CV5; but as a mind-numbed robot that you are you didn't want to tackle the question either? You are...

This is especially true of FWT apostates who make it their life-long ambition to pervert the Gospel.

And who is being sanctified by the truth!? The second flock of sheep in Jn 17 is Abraham's Gentile descendants who are scattered throughout the world. This is the "world" in v.21 who would believe that Jesus is the Sent One. The Gr. term "kosmos" has several different meanings to it (at...

Learn to read what I said in its context. I also said God's elect are justified on the basis of Christ's good works -- not their own "self-righteous good works". The vast majority of sinners are righteous in their own sight.

If any of your "wise, studious, learned" pastors came over here, I guarantee you they would be exposed to something they never would have expected.

No, no, no. Send them over here in real time so that we can engage with each other.

Jesus ALONE took care of the problem of evil for all of Abraham's descendants. Why don't you send some "good doctrinal teacher" or two or three over here? I would put them to the test.

Mr. LT Texan: There's another huge theological problem with your take on Jn 17:23: It presents, yet, another contradiction. If Jesus, as the saints' High Priest, was praying for the world in the distributive sense in this text, then clearly His prayer, too, had zero efficacy to it; for the...

There's no such animal in scripture as sinners' "self-righteous 'good' works". The saints are imputed Christ's righteousness, for He is the ONLY One who merited/earned the elect's salvation. The Mat 7 text speaks of those with spurious/false/faux faith. Sadly, Christian sanctuaries are...

Verse 17 doesn't say that Jesus prayed for the world. Why do you have Jesus contradicting himself? Jesus prayed for all those whom the Father has given to him (both flocks of his Father's sheep) because it is to them only that Jesus gives eternal life. Jesus died only for his covenant people...

The saved are far more than merely innocent. All God's chosen elect are as righteous as Christ Himself. It is His righteousness that is imputed to the souls of every single one of God's elect.

How could I be above my Master when I was taught by Him? I simply remain steadfast to the truth which I'm called to do. I hold God's Holy Word in as much reverence and awe as I do its Author. And the number one reason why I'm so confident in what I believe is because my soteriology presents...

So, the Gospel doesn't do all the above!? How can Divine Revelation not do all these things since you FWers believe that Natural Revelation in Rom 1 does!? :rolleyes: You FWers really do have some serious memory problems. You guys believe that spiritual understanding by all is virtually a...