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It is interesting (should be noted) that the reason(s) for believing works may be (or is) part of salvation is likely vastly different for the different "groups" they listed. The first example given was one of loose values, as if some generally nice actions are probably all it takes and Jesus...

"...knowledge is easy unto him that understandeth." (Prov. 14:6)

So the fork in the road is: A) Do we take those variations as examples of the current reality? -OR- B) Do we take those variations as exceptions to the current reality? (That only occurred during a brief time of history) I consider them examples. It seems you consider them...

Before I explain what God showed me about circumcision of the heart, I'll start by sharing something my older son taught me as he described it to my younger son (who had gone after the flesh and in some ways after the influence of seducing spirits). It is the explanation of a portion of...

Ah. I understand what you were saying. And I'm going to answer... not about the variations themselves, but about HOW a person wants to view those variations... because that is a major fork in the road. God has taught me to watch for those forks in the road. We are in agreement that the Bible...

When you say "Jesus baptism" or "Jesus' baptism" (with the apostrophe after his name) you are meaning water baptism in Jesus name. But it seems Freegrace has been using the other meaning of the idea of Jesus' baptism (Jesus getting baptized by John). It's not a wrong definition or...

I think @FreeGrace2 is referring to Jesus himself getting physically baptized. Love in Jesus, Kelby

I'll think on that. I don't think it's far from how I actually see it now. Ehhh... I was going to say that I had assumed the offer to ask extends to anyone because the offer to be his disciple extends to anyone. (Therefore a person could very quickly don discipleship and pass right on to...

@FreeGrace2 My apologies that the above quote sounded more like a dismissal rather than a welcoming of continued conversation. Love in Jesus, Kelby

I know there's a difference between indwelling and infilling or rather "being filled with" vs. "having received" the Holy Spirit / Holy Ghost, but didn't go into the differences because it was unnecessary to the point of discussion. I'd wrongly assumed you thought they were more or less the...

@Magenta , Thanks for your postings as well. I may have to ask more about the most recent ones, as to what you may have been answering with each, but I really appreciate your posting of Deuteronomy 30:6 regarding circumcision of the heart. I have some understanding what circumcision of the...

I was thinking about you and was going to message to see if you were ok. (Hadn't heard from you in a while). Glad to see you're still smiling around. It was an answered prayer to have you comment when you did. I'd logged in to check things during a break 20 minutes after you posted and it...

Oops. That should have said: So change it to "the doctrine of instant indwelling" (instead of "infilling"). The problem still remains. Love in Jesus, Kelby

So change it to "the doctrine of indwelling" (instead of "infilling"). The problem still remains. In Acts 8:15&16 they had not "received" the Holy Ghost. That means they were neither infilled nor indwelt. Until verse 17. Love in Jesus, Kelby

As much as one might reason that God would move IMMEDIATELY with the manifestation of filling someone with the Holy Ghost, we both know that is not how it happened in the book of Acts. That's why you advised against trusting the early church experiences. You are now suggesting that the...

I notice you skipped (omitted) the part where he explained the principle of persistence (rather than thinking everything comes immediately / instantly / without intense and/or sustained effort): Luke 11:5-8 KJV [5] And he said unto them, Which of you shall have a friend, and shall go unto him...

Now I've got to get back to the tasks I was talking about. @FreeGrace2 , Thanks for your questions. They are good ones. Love in Jesus, Kelby

Tarry until you receive is my view. People like the woman who touched his garment are even more examples of how God works. She didn't receive until she actually touched him. It MIGHT be accurate to say she didn't fully believe until she touched him, but even that much goes against the...

That's not what happened at the day of Pentecost. ALL (including the apostles) had to wait (even after Jesus had raised from the dead) to be baptized with the Holy Ghost. And ALL spoke in tongues when it was poured out. (Acts 1:4-5, Acts 2:4) God did NOT need a learning curve. (that's a...

Now I've got to go do the other things I've been postponing. Keep going for God. I'm guessing Cornelius had served God (in faith) for quite some time before God got the information to him so he could receive the Holy Ghost (with tongues) and be baptized (for remission of sins). Acts 10 whole...