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  1. peacefulbeliever

    The cultic origins of Annihilationism

    I didn't know there was a man who was in Eden (except for Adam :p), one who was the seal of perfection with every precious stone adorning him . . . a man that was anointed as a guardian cherub, a man on the holy mount of God; blameless from the day he was created until he sinned and was driven...
  2. peacefulbeliever

    The cultic origins of Annihilationism

    Even the devil will be consumed and brought to ashes and be no more . . . . why would we think that we deserve a worse punishment by being burned and tormented forever? So I made a fire come out from you, and it consumed you, and I reduced you to ashes on the ground in the sight of all who...
  3. peacefulbeliever

    No soul sleep

    #1 - Did God by inspiration have Ecclesiastes written? #2 - The written word "witnesses" to the things of God . . . #3 - Where does it say and specify "eye-witnesses"? We are surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses - those listed in Hebrews 11 - attesting to the fact that faith/belief/trust...
  4. peacefulbeliever

    No soul sleep

    I can make the same remark - False. The dead can't see therefore they can't be watching anything. "the dead KNOW NOTHING" . . .
  5. peacefulbeliever

    No soul sleep

    They are witnesses through the written word - Abraham and Sarah conceiving in their old age because they believed God, Abraham was willing to sacrifice his only begotten son, Isaac, knowing that God would raise him from the dead (a foreshadow of our Lord) is a witness to Abraham's belief. Noah...
  6. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    I'm not shrume but I see he hasn't answered yet so I thought I would jump in - so excuse me shrume! Acts 1:13 And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James, the son of...
  7. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    They are listed as manifestations of the spirit . . . Speaking in tongues and interpretation of tongues go hand and hand in the church - speaking in tongues as an individual - edifies the individual but speaking in tongues in the church needs to be interpreted in order that the church is...
  8. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    I agree - it does read: Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marveled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? And how hear...
  9. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    God said by way of Paul: I would that you all spake in tongues . . . . would - thelo - 1) to will, to have in mind, intend; a) to be resolved or determined, to purpose; b) to desire, to wish; to love, c) to like to do a thing, be fond of doing; d) to take delight in, have pleasure. So we...
  10. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    SBG . . . I am going to go out on a limb here and I am going to say that I don't think a lot of churches operate the manifestations in a correct manner as stated in 1 Cor. 14:27-32, at least the ones I have visited. That's not to say that the one you have been invited to is in error. It seems...
  11. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    Okay . . . you see clearly . . . you have NO unanswered questions that are enigmas to you . . . . you are completely mature with the "perfect", e.g. the NT . . . and you see the NT pages face to face. You no longer need a message of knowledge from God to direct and lead your steps - to help...
  12. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    We see through a glass darkly - does not mean "veiled" . . . the Greek word for darkly is ainigma where we get our word "enigma" meaning something difficult to understand; a puzzle. If this context is talking about the completed Bible, i.e. the NT - then why do we all still have questions? Why...
  13. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    Correct - there will be no reason for tongues when Christ returns and we see him face to face - that is when they cease.
  14. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    Okay so gifts and manifestations are the SAME thing . . . . even though God clearly separates the two. Right God does not manifest the gifts - EACH believer manifest the gift. When one speaks in tongues - the gift of holy spirit is manifested . . . . God is THE Holy Spirit and He has given...
  15. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    I didn't separate the gifts from the manifestations - God did - But the manifestation of the spirit is given to EVERY man to profit withal. (KJV) Now to each one the manifestation of the spirit is given for the common good. (NIV) When "but" is used in a sentence it is to introduce an...
  16. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    I agree the Holy Spirit gives you the gift of teaching, preaching, evangelizing, etc. How am I making the gifts the manifestations? I have clearly separated the gifts from the manifestations - it clearly says "But the manifestation of the spirit, etc. . . . I am not manifesting - bringing...
  17. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    I agree that all the gifts, i.e. the gift ministries in Ephesians, exhortation, and leadership responsibilities, the gift of salvation are given by God. The gift of holy spirit is given by God to every believer when they are born again. The gift of holy spirit is on the inside of a believer...
  18. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    There is ONE gift that cannot be seen unless it is manifested, brought forth - the gift of holy spirit which we receive when we repent and are baptized (Acts 2:38). This gift of holy spirit given to each believer can be manifested in nine ways. Just as the fruit of the spirit can be manifested...
  19. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    The manifestation of the spirit . . . does not say "the HOLY SPIRIT" is manifested. The manifestation of the spirit is given to every man to profit withal. What did we receive that we can manifest? God, THE Holy Spirit, is the giver, the gift is holy spirit. It is the gift of holy spirit...
  20. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    Paul said: For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful . . . . Here is how it is related - For he that speaks in a tongue speaks not unto men, but unto God; for no man understands; howbeit in the spirit he speaks mysteries (secrets). His understanding is...