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  1. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    A manifestation is something that is brought forth. Someone can carry the chickenpox virus without any one knowing until that virus manifest itself in blisters. The gift of holy spirit is a given by God to the believer. It is up to the believer to believe in faith to operate and bring that...
  2. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    I'm not talking about having more faith/trust in Jesus Christ for salvation - but the manifestation of faith - walking out in belief for healing and for miracles. When I got cancer, I prayed for healing and I could really trust in it for about 10 minutes sometimes less than that before doubt...
  3. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    Oh well . . . still doesn't change the fact that God says the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man for the common good. I can't help it if no one can see that "another" is not talking about the person but the manifestation . . . Just sets up the biggest contradiction there is...
  4. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    I haven't . . . doesn't mean I can't! It takes great faith (also listed in the manifestations, and if you notice it is listed with gifts of healing, miraculous powers) to do that and I ain't there yet. I really never said I manifested ALL nine . . . I hear from God word of wisdom and word of...
  5. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    This section of scripture blends the manifestations and the gift ministries and points out that not everyone will be energized in the same way at the same time that's why it says "Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers?" concerning the gift ministries which would be considered...
  6. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    I just want to say that I am in no way saying that anyone who does not speak in tongues is not spirit filled. It is impossible to have the gift of holy spirit without the capacity to manifest it, because the manifestation are an integral part of the gift. 1 Corinthians 12:7 is set apart from...
  7. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    OMGosh . . . I can't believe this . . . a homosapien is a homosapien - a cow is a cow, an apple tree is an apple tree, etc. . . . AS 'OF THE SAME KIND' ALLOS . . . And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose...
  8. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    This is what you said: Well I guess I am not saved then, I have maybe one or two of those gifts. . . . Also. Not sure what your reading.. We must be reading different bibles. So to encourage you I said . . . . well, I bet you hear from God so that would be word of wisdom and word of...
  9. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    Well, if one believer is different "in kind" than another believer . . . then I probably would agree but because "another" is translated from two different Greek words . . . allos - of the same kind and heteros - of a different kind . . . . I can't quite agree. The Greek word "allos" would be...
  10. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    Whaaat? Are you saying that only the Pentecostal denomination are spirit filled? Are you saying that ALL who believe and confess Jesus as Lord and believe God raised him from the dead are NOT spirit filled believers? I am not of the Pentecostal denomination so I guess I am a Protestant . ...
  11. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    I like the way the ESV is worded 1 Cor. 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful. 15 What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also. . . He didn't say the...
  12. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    I don't know - I believe that EG is saying that not every believer can speak in tongues; I believe that every believer can manifest speaking in tongues (1 Cor. 12:7) - just that in a church service God will energize one believer at a time as it says in 1 Cor. 14:27. :)
  13. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    I never said one was not saved if they did not manifest the gift of holy spirit . . . well, I bet you hear from God so that would be word of wisdom and word of knowledge; I know that you probably discern spirits; I think that you have faith to walk out on what God ask you to do; and as for...
  14. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    Where you read "gifts of tongues" and "gift of interpretation of tongues", I don't read that . . . mainly because it's not there to read. I read we each have the manifestation of the spirit, i.e. the manifestation of the gift of holy spirit - we all have the gift of holy spirit and we all have...
  15. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    The thing is 1 Cor. 12 does not say "to one is given the "gift of" tongues" nor does it say "to another is given the "gift of" interpretation. They are all given to form a whole - the manifestation of the spirit. We are given the gift of holy spirit when we repent and are baptized in the name...
  16. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    You said - The manifestation (To reveal, or made known) of the holy spirit is given to all. THIS is given to all. But the gifts are not. Then quoted v4-7 . . . v7 "But" sets in contrast what is been said before so the subject is changed from "distribution of gifts" to the manifestation of the...
  17. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    #1 - the word "Now" or as in some translations "But" in verse 7 - the subject changes from distributions of gifts, services and who does the energizing to the manifestation of the Spirit. God calls these things "manifestations" and that is what He considers these things to be and that is why we...
  18. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    Sorry but it is true at least it is true according to God: But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man (believer) to profit withal. (1 Cor. 12:7 [KJV]) Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. (1 Cor. 12:7 [NIV]) v7 the subject changes from...
  19. peacefulbeliever

    Baptism and holy spirit

    (who don't have the gift of tongues) . . . . It's so sad that people don't understand that every believer has the gift of holy spirit and within that gift they, each believer, has the innate ability to manifest those nine listed things . . . IMHO . . .