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  1. TMS

    looking for help reconciling the Sabbath with common observation?

    The broadness of the 10 commandments includes these sins. Sexual sins under the command of adultery. Includes lusting... Mat 5:27-28 27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust...
  2. TMS

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    But you fail to read the context. Col 2:13-14 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and...
  3. TMS

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    No cerimonial laws existed until sin. Before sin only moral laws existed. The sabbath was created for man and blessed by God before sin. So before sin = moral. Sin in this world was not present but Satan had already sinned in heaven. But humans created in God's image did not need any...
  4. TMS

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    The fact that it was created by God at creation seperates it. The fact that it is in the 10 commandments seperates it. The fact that the 10 were written and spoken by God and placed inside the ark seperates it. The 4th commandment was punishable by death. No ceremonial law was punishiable...
  5. TMS

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    16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. It is these little errors that can change there meaning.... There is no evidence that this covenant was part of the covenant made earlier. The old...
  6. TMS

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    You are made up. It really late here. You will find that the 10 commandments are not called Moses laws or the laws of Moses. They are God's laws. It is hard to prove either way but the argument you give about Col 2 and the sabbath being the 4th commandment is not holding water. I've...
  7. TMS

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    Rom 11:11-12 11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles...
  8. TMS

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    I do not promote salvation by works But I do believe the sabbath is a moral law because God put it with the other moral laws and I find no evidence that it is a type or shadow. We find rest in Jesus but that does not mean He has become the 4th commandment. He has become my high priest...
  9. TMS

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    When are we grafted in? The root is Abraham but the tree has not stopped growing.. The Gentiles were grafted in after the cross at the time of Paul The wild was to become part of the natural plant. The branches that were cut off made room for the Gentiles.
  10. TMS

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    But there is a difference. The laws given to deal with sin .... The shedding of the blood and the earthly temple all pointed to Jesus and the plan of salvation. These laws do no define sin. They deal with sin But thou shalt not murder defines sin. One law is perfect and eternal, while...
  11. TMS

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    Rom 11:16-18 16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18...
  12. TMS

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    Do you agree that when Israel said they would obey the laws and made the old covenant with God. That Some were typological and some were moral? That some were cerimonial and some were moral laws? do you agree there is a difference between the cerimonial and moral laws..
  13. TMS

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    Do you believe we are Spiritual Israel today? That Israel today is not literal blood lines but those that follow Jesus. Gal 3:29 "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" As the seed of Abraham, or as an Israelite, that means the perpetual...
  14. TMS

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    But the sabbath was made holy before sin. Regardless of a command.. The sabbath was created before sin. It was not created as a type or as a shadow to save us or help us understand sin. It was made before types or shadows were needed.
  15. TMS

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    Be specific... the sabbath was a sign But there is a difference between the covenant and the commandments The old covenant was replaced by the new. The grounds on which laws were nailed to the cross is the fact that the type had meet the antitype and the shadows were no longer needed to...
  16. TMS

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    I do not see temporary in this sign. God gave it as a commandment but God did not assign it as a typological sign or day. The day was made holy at creation and made for man at creation. Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that...
  17. TMS

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    The sabbath is about worship. Types were things that pointed to a greater fulfillment. And shadows are a lesser version of the greater thing. For example the lamb without spot pointed to Jesus. The earthly sanctuary was a shadow of the heavenly sanctuary. God gave these types and...
  18. TMS

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    Exo 31:13-17 13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. 14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you...
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    How is the 4th commandment a typological shadow? It was made for man before sin.
  20. TMS

    looking for help reconciling the Sabbath with common observation?

    Jesus did not come to destroy the moral law; He came to magnify it and show us how to keep it through His strength. However, His death did abolish the "law of commandments contained in ordinances" Ephesians 2:15. When Christ died, the veil of the temple was rent, signifying that the earthly...