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    The rapture is close?

    EDIT TO CORRECT: should read... "so ["EITA" v.24a]..." (not v.23!) ... was typing too fast, my apologies...
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    The rapture is close?

    I *did* point something out IN THE TEXT ITSELF, but you seemed uninterested in "examining these things" to see whether these things are so: --1Cor15:22b's "FUTURE TENSE" Subject ("so also *IN* Christ" SHALL ALL BE MADE ALIVE [FUTURE TENSE]") is CONNECTED to what FOLLOWS in the text (v.23) by...
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    The rapture is close?

    :) I pretty much agree with you that "the resurrection the first [adj]" will take place IN PHASES. (IOW, Rev20:5b [re: v.4b] isn't the first TIME resurrection will have taken place; it's speaking about "first" IN QUALITY, not in TIME, like you say) . Happy to know we can agree on something. = )...
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    The rapture is close?

    I've repeatedly referred to "the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom" in my posts throughout this thread; so I have NO IDEA why you think I believe it will be located "somewhere else" and insist on arguing that point as though I have. I AGREED with you that, of "24 elders" it is...
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    Preparation for the tribulation.

    In verse 2, where Paul talks about "EARNESTLY DESIRING"... he is referring specifically to the issue of "[earnestly desiring] to be CLOTHED-UPON with..." . What he is saying in this passage is that we are all "EARNESTLY DESIRING to be CLOTHED-UPON [i.e. given our glorified bodies APART FROM...
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    Preparation for the tribulation.

    ^ This sentence from Paul contradicts such a notion: "1 Cor 15:51-52 - Behold I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep but we shall all be changed In a moment in the twinkling of an eye at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound and the dead shall be raised incorruptible and we shall be...
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    Preparation for the tribulation.

    The phrase (in 1Th4:14) "shall God bring WITH [G4862 - UNIONED-with] Him/Christ" is oft-misunderstood. This SPECIFIC phrase is NOT referencing His bringing them with Him at the RAPTURE time-slot, but at His SECOND COMING TO THE EARTH time-slot. Paul is explaining HOW IT IS SO that "the DEAD IN...
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    Preparation for the tribulation.

    That's not what "MUST *put-on*" means, in that sentence. IOW, it INVOLVES the old body (now ITSELF *CHANGED*) Phil3:21 - "Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto...
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    Preparation for the tribulation.

    Hello again, BOY, Let's look at the text itself. Revelation Chapter 11 (as you suggest). Tell me where you read of the "7th Trumpet [which you are calling "the LAST trump"] being what it is that calls these "2 Witnesses" up to heaven. Yes, the text states they ascend up to heaven. But...
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    Preparation for the tribulation.

    Is that where Jesus' Resurrection happened? No. "THIS corruptible MUST *put-on* incorruption..." (1Cor15:53) THIS part of the sentence pertains to "the DEAD IN Christ" (it involves their BODIES... bodily-resurrected!) "resurrection" = "TO STAND AGAIN [on the earth]" (that's its...
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    Preparation for the tribulation.

    So your whole point is that "the DEAD IN Christ" has ZERO to do with "resurrection" (of which our Lord Jesus Christ was a Proto-Type)?? ... where "resurrection" MEANS "to stand again [on the earth]" (after having physically / bodily died [/sleep through Jesus]"_ I thoroughly disagree with...
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    Matthew 24:40 Is the rapture secret?

    Yes. I am just explaining that "Rapture" is defined as "caught-up / snatched"... but "resurrection" speaks to being "bodily resurrected after having physically / bodily dead [/'sleep through Jesus']"... which part is what the section saying "the DEAD IN Christ shall RISE first [i.e. be...
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    Matthew 24:40 Is the rapture secret?

    Right. I fairly agree with you. Matthew 24 and Luke 17 (about Noah and his family) is not given by Jesus as a picture of "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" but of what takes place leading up to and surrounding His Second Coming TO THE EARTH, FOR the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom...
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    There will be no Rapture!!!

    While I agree with you that Jesus ascended twice (once on Firstfruit / His Resurrection Day and then again in Acts 1--some "40 days" later), I still believe it is important to note what was said in John 21 (AFTER the "John 20:19" ['came Jesus'] verse you had supplied to make your point). In...
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    The rapture? The comimg of Christ.

    For one thing, Matthew 25:31-34 (and its context) is about the "STILL-LIVING [of the] nations" at the time-slot being referenced (same for Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50 [meaning, re: the "STILL-LIVING" persons], as I mentioned being the passage the disciples BASED their Q of Him and He's RESPONDING...
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    Preparation for the tribulation.

    --Rev20:5b "THIS is the resurrection the first [adj]" points back to what John had just SEEN ["saw"] in v.4b; and VERSE 4b speaks ONLY OF the saints who will have been martyred / beheaded IN THE LAST HALF of the Tribulation period (because the refused the mark of the beast); These 2 verses...
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    Preparation for the tribulation.

    AGREED! (y) Well, I agree there are SAINTS who will be KILLED by the man of sin, who will NOT have taken the mark!! RIGHT! (member "Psalm1" does not seem to acknowledge this, anywhere in his viewpoint / scheme-of-things) And although you and I seem to have disparate viewpoints of...
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    The rapture? The comimg of Christ.

    ^ I'm a "pre-tribber" who sees Jesus' second ascension (the one in Acts 1) to be "in like manner AS YE HAVE SEEN" (i.e. "VISIBLE") to be how He will "RETURN" to the earth (when "every eye shall SEE Him"); whereas His EARLIER ascension (some "40 days" earlier, ON "FIRSTFRUIT" / His Resurrection...
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    The rapture? The comimg of Christ.

    ^ 1 Corinthians 15:20 - "[ 1Co 15:20 ] But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits [G536 - singular] of them that slept." And He did this ON "FIRSTFRUIT" [Lev23:10-12] (on that very day). [John 5:29 says there are TWO KIND of "resurrection": "resurrection OF LIFE"...
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    The rapture? The comimg of Christ.

    Revelation 20:5b (your verse ^ ), where it says, "THIS is the resurrection the FIRST [ADJ]"... the word "THIS" is POINTING BACK TO what had just been stated in v.4b which verse pertains ONLY TO the saints having been "beheaded / martyred" in the LAST 3.5 YEARS of the Trib (when the "mark" will...