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That's very big of you, and I appreciate you hearing me out and following up by investigating it. = ) Thank you both for clarifying your positions and correcting any misunderstandings between you. I appreciate this very much. = ) [let me just add... it is a very easy thing on discussion...

Aren't you BOTH ones who hold to the "pre-trib" position on the matter of "our Rapture"? Or have I mis-read you? Maybe I have, in this instance? I'm stymied by your recent "back-and-forths"... lol

Yesterday, Musicmaster "Liked" (and I assume "agreed" with) your Post #2097 ( https://christianchat.com/threads/there-will-be-no-rapture.212356/post-5314491 ), because (as I assume--by what I've read of each of your Posts) at that point you two were both "on the same page" (correct me if I'm...

...death will be much more rare and will be reserved only for the rebellious); but "saints ONLY" are who will ENTER the MK age (i.e. "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER") when it commences upon His "RETURN" to the earth, Rev19 [several things, here, are problematic for the "post-trib Rapture" viewpoint]

...MEAL [G347; see also Mt8:11 and parallel=the MK age]". It is "the MARRIAGE" which pertains solely to the Church ("the Church which is His body"--aka the presently-"betrothed" Bride/Wife [singular], 2Cor11:2). IOW, "our Rapture" is NOT for the purpose of "wedding SUPPER / FEAST" UP...

...to come" Matt12:32 had just spoken about). IOW, "the kingdom OF THE heavenS" (v.24) is speaking of that. The CONTEXT is not about "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" (which is revealed and explained ELSEWHERE). The disciples' LATER question to Jesus (in Matt24:3) was BASED ON what He had...

...Rev19:7 and 19:9!); 3) Paul ALSO, in his 2Th1 & 2 chpts, tells of the TWO OPPOSITE "beliefs" people WILL BE coming to FOLLOWING "our Rapture"--so the "a great multitude... of all the nations" [besides the 144,000 of Israel, etc] being a number that no one can count can certainly be [among]...

...commencement of the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age (aka "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER") [note: this is not a full list of ALL that will transpire (future)... just what is included in the Olivet Discourse portions!! (which NOWHERE covers the Subject of "our Rapture"!)]

Thanks for clarifying. So, are you saying you believe her "dream" is DESCRIBING "Pre-Wrath OF SATAN" instead (instead of "POST-trib Rapture")? ...and are you saying you agree with her description (i.e. that her "dream" was from God / is Truth)?

And some of us already pointed out to you (wasn't it also in this thread?) that Margaret Macdonald's dream described a POST-trib Rapture!! (NOT "PRE-") Nobody is listening to M. MacDonald! Hello! (i.e. Darby did not get his ideas FROM HER!) She was a disciple of E. Irving (an...

But "Darby" was not the "source" of the doctrine of the Pre-trib Rapture. More than one person in this Thread has pointed out people WELL-BEFORE "Darby" who [also] DISTINGUISHED (time-wise) between our "Rapture" and Christ's "Second Coming [to the earth]". So how can "Darby" have possibly...

This is my postion. (y) PRE-trib Rapture of "the Church which is His body" [Eph1:20-23 WHEN (as to its existence)]

Agreed! (y)

...2597 [e] katabēsetai καταβήσεται will descend V-FIM-3S 575 [e] ap’ ἀπ’ from Prep 3772 [e] ouranou οὐρανοῦ , heaven [this reference IS equated with "the LAST" trumpet spoken of in 1Cor15:52, pertaining to US / the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY and our "change" at the time-slot of "our Rapture"]

...but see them ALL as being distinct, with distinct PURPOSES (and wholly distinct time-slots). I see the "LAST" trumpet (at which "our Rapture" takes place) is associated rather with the LAST TIME that "The FIRST and the LAST" [Person(Rev1:10-11)]'s voice spake like a Trumpet... and THAT...

...being gathered... and then you will begin to grasp that these persons are NOT "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (US) NOR is it speaking of "our Rapture [IN THE AIR--with its destination LOCATION being disclosed in 1Th3:13! UP THERE!]--In EVERY WAY *DISTINCT* from that of Matt24:29-31 / Isaiah...

...AC doesn't "sitteth" IN US!, as some like to suggest); ____________ Once "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" departs this earth in "our Rapture [IN THE AIR; headed to 1Th3:13's destination!]," there is NO "temple" located on the earth at that point... so NOTHING prevents 2Th2:4 /...

[well, first of all... not ALL of the people who will come to faith FOLLOWING "our Rapture" when they find themselves IN the Trib yrs will [100% of them] BE MARTYRED; no, SOME will survive CLEAR TO THE END, and will ENTER the MK age in their mortal bodies--For example: Dan12:12 "BLESSED is he...

...AND REMAIN" means "remain/s TO THE END OF THE TRIB YRS" time-slot (but it does not mean that--it is his pre-supposition [of a POST-trib Rapture event] that demands such a meaning ;) ). [I believe people often MISS the fact that 1Th4:13-17 is in the CONTEXT OF 1Th3:13--the...

...Luke 17 (where the example of Noah / "as the days of Noah were, SO SHALL"... is given), I do NOT believe he's [shown as] an example of "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" time-slot; but instead, those who will exist in the Trib yrs and who will ENTER the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial...