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...he is tasked with ADDRESSING) WOULD/WILL still be alive at the time being spoken of (b/c the "ONE BODY" is what will be "SNATCHED [G726 - raptured / caught up]" together in ONE SNATCH-ACTION--*and* he says of us, "WE shall not ALL sleep, but WE shall ALL be changed IN A MOMENT, in the...

...Here are a couple of posts I made to address this point back in Oct 2021: --Post # 2095 - https://christianchat.com/threads/how-the-pre-trib-rapture-became-popular-in-the-modern-church.201091/post-4674367 --see especially Post # 2071 -...

...for its use in your verse you are pointing out, in 1Th4:16-17 ("then [EPeita]"). [note: my point HERE in this post is NOT to address "rapture-timing," but to further help explain the distinction between Paul's use of both "EPeita" (in 1Cor15:23) and "EITA" (in 1Cor15:24a), and how that...

"Strong's Concordance - G726" to refer to the phrase "caught-up" (or "rapture" or "SNATCH" or "harpagēsometha" [verb]) used in 1Th4:17 - can be found here: 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Greek Text Analysis [not sure what you MEAN... or maybe I should say, ...who you've been listening to. lol. JK!]

My pleasure. :) Whoopsie! (lol... just kidding! HA! "THE rapture," eh?? :D ) Well... Paul does use "the definite article ['THE']" when using ANOTHER "NOUN-phrase" to refer to it also (though it's not always evidenced in the English translations in that verse), so I'll let you off the hook...

Good question. Yes "rapture" = verb. But Paul refers to this concept something like 8 or 9 times in his two "Thessalonians" epistles (not merely the ONE "well-known" verse you are referring to here, in 1Th4:17), by his using a VARIETY of words and phrases (sometimes as verbs; other times as...

Jesus, in His Olivet Discourse, is not covering the Subject of "our Rapture / SNATCH [G726]"; He is responding to questions... and verse 3 that the disciples asked Him was BASED ON what He had ALREADY SPOKEN to them about in Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50 (re: the END [singular] of the AGE [singular]"...

...mount, AT JERUSALEM") gathered [from having been "judicially SCATTERED"] by angels "HE SHALL SEND" to do so, per Matthew 24:29-31 [END OF TRIB / AFTER TRIB] parallel Isaiah 27:9,12-13 at the "GREAT trumpet" [distinct] See also Rom11:27/Dan9:24 [re: Israel]--This is NOT a "rapture/SNATCH [G726]")

...period). IOW, these particular saints are never "caught up [/SNATCHED - G726]" (they have come to faith WITHIN the TRIB yrs, FOLLOWING "our Rapture")... the ones "still-living" will enter the MK age in their mortal bodies (the verse you keep quoting has nothing to do with this fact), never...

The "Rapture [G726 - SNATCH]" pertains SOLELY TO "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (Eph1:20-23 "WHEN [as to its existence]"), that is, ALL believers saved "in this present age [singular]"; It does NOT pertain to all other saints of all OTHER time-periods (not to "OT saints"... not to Trib saints...

Aww... the man who wrote that book based his "figurings" on the faulty "Historicist" hermeneutic, so naturally came to incorrect conclusions. ;) ["1260 DAYS" is "1260 DAYS" not "1260 *years*"--one of the many MIS-steps of such hermeneutic, sorry to say]

I'm saying that our "CHANGE" will take place ("IN A MOMENT"...) "AT THE LAST TRUMP" (at "our Rapture / SNATCH [G726]" time-slot). I'm not defining the distinct terms IDENTICALLY as you are assuming I am doing. "we shall not all sleep, but we shall ALL be changed IN A MOMENT in the...

...MORTAL believers ("we which are ALIVE" component) and says, "that MORTALITY might be SWALLOWED UP of LIFE" (v.4) This is a somewhat veiled "RAPTURE / SNATCH" reference not many folks recognize. [I stand by what I said previously: ""and the DEAD shall be RAISED incorruptible" refers to...

...WITH [G4862 - UNIONED-with] Him/Christ" is oft-misunderstood. This SPECIFIC phrase is NOT referencing His bringing them with Him at the RAPTURE time-slot, but at His SECOND COMING TO THE EARTH time-slot. Paul is explaining HOW IT IS SO that "the DEAD IN Christ" will not be LEFT OUT of that...

The member you are talking with (ewq1938) is NOT a "pre-trib Rapture" adherent. (I think he's POST-trib.) I do agree with you that he is wrenching a number of verses from their actual meaning, however. lol

^ But in the sentence supplied in 1Th4:17 (re: our Rapture event), it starts out this way: For ὅτι hoti G3754 ὅτι hoti CONJ himself αὐτὸς autos G846 αὐτός autos P-NSM the ὁ ho G3588 ὁ ho T-NSM Lord κύριος kyrios G2962 κύριος kyrios N-NSM with [/ IN] ἐν en G1722 ἐν en PREP a shout...

...to His Second Coming TO THE EARTH, FOR the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age (and are not referencing "our SNATCH [/rapture]," at all). Not really. I just don't see it in any text whatsoever. In this Revelation 19 text itself, I see a CLEAR DISTINCTION between "the...

The fellow who wrote that book was an Historicist (from what I am recalling). NO WONDER he got it wrong, he was starting off on "wrong footing" to come to his incorrect conclusions! lol

...EYE shall SEE HIM" and HE "RETURNS" to the earth. So? The "2 Witnesses" ASCENDING UP TO HEAVEN is not a "SNATCH [G726]" (what we call "rapture [G726]")... It is "2 W" ASCENDING UP to Heaven. And that takes place ^ in the events involving the "SECOND WOE" (i.e. associated with the "SIXTH...

...TOGETHER WITH them" (means that both components will experience the SNATCH [verb] at the SAME TIME, i.e. verb-actioned "TOGETHER WITH them"...). Your suggestion that "the DEAD IN Christ" will NOT experience "our Rapture / SNATCH" (that aspect) is not accurate according to Scripture itself.