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Bear in mind that, because "Matt24:4-8 / Mk13:5-8 / Lk21:8-11" are the same things [at same time-period--including 2earthquakes in divers places and famines and pestilences and nation rising against nation" (etc)--same as in Lk21's section before v.12's "BEFORE ALL THESE"], and Matthew's text...

Right. BECAUSE v.7 is NOT saying "WHEN," it is stating the fact of "[rest/repose with us] IN THE REVELATION OF... [and so forth...]12 (and notice how 2Th2:10-12's "...God SHALL SEND TO THEM strong delusion THAT THEY should believe the LIE / the FALSE / the PSEUDEI" also speaks of that same...

I agree that places like Wiki (any website really) can "change their info" whenever and for whatever reason... but also, Wiki doesn't always necessarily have "all the information20 on any given Subject, either. = ) Consider the following, which (for example) provides a certain piece of info...

Right. Even apart from the phrase 21THE departure22 (which @Runningman is frequently pointing out his disagreement with the interpretation / definition from Liddell 23 Scott24s Greek-English Lexicon we25ve supplied many times over :D ), even APART from that section of the sentence, the rest of the...

It would not say what you are spelling it out to say. Rather (more like this): 28that day [the dotl / trib-judgments (per v.2)] will not be present if not shall have come the departure [our rapture (per v.1)] FIRST, and [distinctly] the man of sin be revealed...29 The man of sin is revealed...

Well, I wasn't actually speaking to THAT point (and as you may recall, as I've said in the past, I do not believe 32our Rapture" will necessarily be a "VISIBLE" event [at least not to EVERYONE], but will more resemble the "pattern" I had pointed out... but I won't go into all that AGAIN here). I...

Daniel was told he would be resurrected at the END of the TRIB ['days' referred to IN THAT CONTEXT: vv.1,6-7 (after SECOND HALF of TRIB)]. That is when ALL OT saints (and TRIB saints who DIE in the Trib) will be 42resurrected" (they've not been promised "RAPTURE/SNATCH [IN THE AIR]"). How do...

Yes. And verse 7 reads, "... until out of the midst he BECOME. [8 AND THEN (kai tote) shall that Wicked be revealed...]" "... the one restraining at present, will restrain, until out of the midst he BECOME [G1096]. AND THEN [kai tote] shall that Wicked be revealed..."

Yes. The text states, "... because the testimony of us to you was believed IN THAT DAY52 (this is not speaking of the Thessalonians themselves... Right!) Paul is CONTRASTING the TWO "beliefs" ppl WILL BE coming to IN / DURING / WITHIN the FUTURE "TRIB" yrs (the other being 2Th2:10-12... "God...

Personally, I do not believe 1Th4's mention of "comfort" is the applicable one (to what was being discussed earlier in the thread, page 2); when it comes to 62rapture" passages and the "comfort" word, one should look more to the following examples: --used in 1 Thessalonians 5:11 (context...

The content of the "false claim" Paul is drawing attention to in 2Th2:2, is: "that the day of the Lord IS ALREADY HERE / IS ALREADY PRESENT [PERFECT indicative - 'PERFECT TENSE - Action completed at a SPECIFIC POINT of TIME in PAST, with results CONTINUING INTO THE PRESENT']" ...THAT ^ (use of...

Hey randyk, Back when you made this ^ post, I had planned to have you consider a couple of posts I72d made on that subject, but time got away from me and I never got back to it... One post is here (on pg 119 of this thread), regarding a quote by "Irenaeus": Post #2362 -...

Right. "The day of the Lord" is ONLY ever located on the earth. And that is the ONLY Subject that Paul is informing in 2:2 about, as to its contents (the contents of the false claim). 2Th1:7-8 "ye who are [being] troubled/oppressed rest/repose with us IN THE REVELATION OF the Lord Jesus from...

Okay, so you're saying that "23 mss say 'US'--ZERO mss say 82THEM'"... and the 24 elders are saying "...hast redeemed US to God by thy blood out-of EVERY kindred/tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation" ... and that supposedly is proof they are "angels"? (not sure where else in scripture angels...

I'm NOT saying that. In 2Th2:1 Paul is speaking of that very "event" (92our Rapture" event which will occur at one point-in-time [at/to one "IN THE AIR" location]--that's Paul's Subject in v.1--SAME as in 1Th4:17). The false conveyors (v.2) were not covering *that Subject*.

I *am* defining it within its context. What I am NOT doing (and what others are doing) is, jumping back OVER AND PAST v.2 in order to ascertain what v.3a's "NOT" is speaking to (that is a grammatical issue)... "3 that day shall NOT be...102 is directly addressing what the false conveyors were...

Aw, come on, man... your memory isn't *that short* also, is it?? Just a few days ago... I supplied the texts of one Morgan Edwards some 100 YEARS BEFORE *Darby* who ALSO *distinguished* the point in time of our Rapture from the point in time of His "RETURN" to the earth (which is ALSO the...

Naw, man... people were *distinguishing* between the point-in-time of "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" and Christ's Second Coming to the earth, well before Darby in the late 1800s. The following is just one puny example... but there are certainly more... Consider...

Nice work! Agreed! (y)

Not only that, but they are two distinct words: --1Th5:9 has "G5087 - etheto / tithémi 112 ['God' doing this, per this verse] --Acts 13:48 has "G5021 - tassō " [middle or passive voice... with context determining]