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I had said, [1Th4:17] "SO [/in this manner] shall we ever be WITH [G4862 - UNIONed-WITH] the Lord"... that occurs at [the time of] "our Rapture" (NOT at the 7 yrs LATER Rev19 time-slot, when He is getting ready to return to the earth in that scene). IOW, we don't hang out with Him for 7 years...

...bride/wife [singular] PREPARED"--this part has already taken place *UP THERE* BY THE TIME of this Rev19 time-slot... and you know that "our Rapture" [with the "[G4862] UNIONed-WITH Him" wording in 1Th4:17 which took place BACK *PRIOR TO* this point in the chronology] had already occurred)...

^ P.S. where that QUOTE (by whomever) said this: ... as a "pre-tribber, [pre-trib Rapture]" I completely DISAGREE that "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER" takes place UP THERE (upon "our Rapture"); but believe rather that it takes place ON THE EARTH, and IS "the promised and prophesied EARTHLY...

May I ask, who are you quoting in your Quote Box of your Post #116... you didn't say... where you'd put: ... is this Darby himself writing this? Just asking. = )

From my understanding (and if memory serves:unsure: ), Cameron143 believes it referred to the events surrounding 70ad (including a type of "return of Christ" that wasn't necessarily visible [as to His Person] in nature).

...[himself] writes: "In 1880 William Reid, in his book on Brethrenism, stated that 'Edward Irving contributed the notion of . . . the secret rapture of the saints.'" [underline mine] [but note T. Ice says of that...] "but he [MacPherson] doesn't actually reference any pre-tribbers when he...

yes, and in my Post #99 of this thread, I mentioned that Irenaeus (100's) ALSO "split" the timing of our Rapture and the [distinct] timing of His Second Coming to the earth...or, rather, he perceived Scripture to be conveying such. (and as I understand it, many way back in that time [even in...

The thing is, Darby believed "the Second Coming of Christ" is when "EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM" (not that THIS was somehow "secret" as you seem to be suggesting was his view).

The thing that arrives "as a thief IN THE NIGHT" is the (earthly-located) TIME-PERIOD [not "our Rapture [in the air]"], and the Thessalonians "KNEW[/KNOW] PERFECTLY" this fact (per 1Th5:1-3), as Paul readily acknowledged of them, and said he had no need to write them regarding it. Also, the...

Right, Morgan Edwards (publishing in 1744) perceived a distinction in the timing between "our Rapture" and "Christ's Second Coming"... ... whereas Darby came to perceive a "pre-TRIB [or pre-70th Week]" rapture; ...and M. MacDonald, in her supposed "vision" described a "POST-trib" rapture...

^ @Chaps , FYI "ewq1938" (member) is not arguing for a pre-trib rapture, as he himself believes the rapture occurs at the time of Christ's Second Coming (Rev19 time-slot). He is simply supplying "information" from various points in history (before 1830) about what others believed and wrote...

...[and ALL members of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"] will NOT be in a "MORTAL body" at that point in the chronology, because Rev19 is NOT "our Rapture" point in the chronology)... They will be the ONLY ONES who will have the capacity to reproduce / bear children (besides their children /...

^ "the DEAD IN Christ" are who will have DIED prior to "our Rapture" (but they will "rise first" [i.e. be "[bodily] resurrected"] before we'll be "caught up [G726 - harpazo] TOGETHER" [at the same time] ;) ) [by contrast, the "WHEAT" and the "TARES" will BOTH be "STILL-LIVING PERSONS" at...

...pertains SOLELY TO "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY"/us) ____________ Right. It refers to "STILL-LIVING PERSONS" at the time-slot being referenced (NOT at "our Rapture")... Meaning, "the DEAD IN Christ" (part of "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY") are not a part of this particular "harvest"...

...thread) at which post I provided the ACTUAL QUOTES by a writer who existed A HUNDRED YEARS BEFORE Darby, who [ALSO] SPLIT the timing of our Rapture from that of His Second Coming... (did you read those quotes?) I can't help that "Norton" (or whoever) was unaware of that [previous] 1744...

JFYI, the term (itself) "SECRET rapture" originated from E. Irving (as I understand it--some say this is the case)... who was an Historicist (NOT a "pre-tribber"). So some claim that Darby took the idea from him.

...of these passages were those who perished in the flood (they were taken away in judgment... which is what will take place at Christ's Second Coming to the earth, which is what Matt13:24,30,39,40,49-50 [Mt24:3+] is speaking to) [these "taken [and] left" passages are NOT "rapture" contexts!]

...are (like the WHEAT) "STILL-LIVING" persons existing on the earth at the time-slot being referenced (His Second Coming TO THE EARTH--Not "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" time-slot and circumstances and setting). IOW, NO ONE is being "resurrected" in the Wheat and Tares separation judgment /...

If I'm not mistaken, "they" claimed it [our rapture] would take place "before the DAY OF THE LORD" can be present (to unfold upon the earth)... which is what 2Th2:1-2 and verse 3b is conveying. "The Day of the Lord" (not being "a singular 24-hr day kind of 'day') is an earthly-located...

...'days' as 'years' , so important for all historicists, including the Catholic Apostolics. . . . Darby introduced the concept of a secret rapture to take place 'at any moment' , a belief which subsequently became one of the chief hallmarks of Brethren eschatology. He also taught that the...