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if we have no part in our salvation or rather more specifically if there is no free will to choose to accept our salvation then that would mean it is not up to us to believe and from what I understand that is what some believe. the believing is on us salvation is on Christ. however some believe...

by believing and hearing the word of God faith comes by hearing the word of God as the scriptures say Romans 10:17: "So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God". Context:

if I may what is your stance on selected salvation?

Magenta is one of the good ones and is very wise the ones who believe in selected salvation well you will see them soon enough and you will learn that most of them cannot be reasoned with when you meet these people just tread carefully because they like to argue their point with scripture but...

he chose everyone but what magenta is saying is that they must be drawn to him first the natural man in their sinful ways cares not for the things of God so they must be drawn to him or quickened first.

precisely Jesus gave the commandments to follow as far as the law goes those who try to follow the law according to ot way teach that we are still to follow it in that way but Jesus didn't teach that. I don't know the other law that @Soyeong is talking about maybe they can enlighten me when...

Jesus didn't teach the law and I never saw any other law other than the one that we died to what other law is there?

that would be the case some do in fact believe that

yeah maybe I was being a bit optimistic

that sound.... was that the nail being hit on the head? very well done nicely said

I think maybe they just misunderstand what you mean by that it seems to happen a lot

Well they would be wrong

I love this art work here

for the believer

he became the law for us and no one could or can follow the law perfectly

exactly what it says it is the power of God unto salvation that is what it means what is being questioned isn't the source itis whether one can actively choose to recieve it or not.

you do understand that believing is a verb correct? an active deicision? so was it on your part that you believed or not?

the key point is that you had to believe in to recieve your salvation so by believing which was done by you in that regard yes you had something to do with your salvation everything else was done for you all that was needed from you was to believe and thus accept your salvation the gift that is...

ok so you had to believe in that is a verb meaning it was done by you meaning also you accepted him. the scriptures do not say accept but they do say believe to believe in something is to accept the truth of something so you did have something to do with your salvation you had to believe in...

well I am still learning about the gift myself so any responses that are not according to scripture may have gone over my head which ones do you mean exactly?