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IU disagree, our will is a slave to sin or a slave to righteousness. At least that's what Jesus said. I'm going with him. I think this is a stupid thing for Christians to fight over though, because you just call choice free will. I believe in choice too, we are told to choose and not be...

Well I know everyone has their own way of looking at it, but I believe we are told that free will isn't even a thing. This is just what we've come to call "choice". I 100% believe that we all have choice, but those choices are a slave to our natures, which are in sin or in the Spirit. I also...

And "the knowledge of good and evil" is us usurping this from God, it's pretending we know what's right and wrong. Exactly how we are born and the biggest message the world throws at us to deceive us from the day we are born. Follow your heart right? Follow the heart that is "21 For from...

Both absolutely right and I agree. :cool:(y)

I don't even know what you're arguing for or why you're so mad/concerned/baffled, but the ONLY path to God is through Christ, if we are in Christ we are grafted into Israel. The ONLY way to be reconciled to our Creator. I don't understand what you're claiming no one can understand like you, but...

Yep, went to the alter deceived, yet was following all the instructions I was given by the church leadership to a "T", and then declared saved. Hmmm, Maybe this is my point. Why do you think I share this? To make myself look good? I also wasn't even considering God or Jesus when He actually...

I disagree with this, in a way. Repentance is a gift from God, not something we "do" ourselves, so "our" level of sincerity when we are granted repentance can be nothing but in sincerity, His sincerity. So from the human perspective and how we see it from our experience, I agree with you 100%...

Agreed, but there is also Romans 2:28-29 28 For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical. 29 But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God. Which I...

That depends on who gets the glory for your obedience. Are "YOU" being obedient? Or is it Him in you that is the ONLY reason you do or are anything good at all? You can be obedient in your head and not saved, but you cannot be truly reborn and not seek to be more obedient daily. This is...

Yeah like I told thunder, I read this 1,000 times and never noticed that. defiantly worth some new thought.

Very nice points. I never "saw" that before. I appreciate you pointing this out to me and I now have to go rethink things about this a bit more. Nice questions though, had me going to scripture and seeing things I never noticed before. Thanks again.

The text says that Eve was tempted and ate before Adam and that she went to him after, so I do not think it was at the exact same time. I do not believe Adam nor Eve was "MADE" to do anything. I think they chose to disobey. Did they stumble on their way to sinning? I believe that would be a...

Their disobedience, putting their will above Gods. Sinning.

First of all I think making statements like "sickness is to our benefit", or "God doesn't want us sick, He will cure all the faithful", are not statements that can even be true in all cases. Like you can be blessed through tribulation, just like seeming blessings can turn into curses, like...

I hope you weren't too offended by my skepticism about your motives or tactics. Again I only feel that way because I've actually encountered this type of approach from specifically Muslim apologist so many times it just seems a regular approach. That's the only reason, I wasn't trying to accuse...

Did I list 2009? I didn't see it there.

This is true, but it's also true that he's been the "President" every year since then and didn't declare it in 2021, nor 2022, nor 2023 when it didn't land on resurrection Sunday, so....

Well welcome Bataal, I pray truth for all those who seek it, because there is only 1 truth. I am also automatically suspicious of this kind of approach coming from a Muslim. Not because I'm racist or think I know your heart or motives at all, but simply because I have engaged with this exact...

Well if that's how you read and interpret those verses for today I'd have to say that you have NO Biblical literacy. Is your argument that everything in the Bible is good? The Bible records things that have happen and tells the story of mans fall from God and how God reconciles us back into...

Also 1 Peter 1:17-21 is a pretty clear passage on how we are "ransomed" 17 And if you call on him as Father who judges impartially according to each one's deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile, 18 knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from...