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A pretty arrogant assertion you make here. I made it to page 8 before I rejected your "rightly divided" opinion. I disagree 100% with what you call "right". Do you understand your view is less that 100 years old? Is that not any kind of red flag? You believe the newest fad in regard to this...

But that's not the point. No one is arguing that we don't have will/choice/agency. This is where the biggest misunderstanding is, and to be honest only those who are born again in truth can even understand what this truly means. What we are saying is what the Bible teaches, our "will" is NEVER...

And I know I'm butting in here, and please excuse me for that, but if you think you speaking, or the person hearing are what save, your just wrong. Salvation is of God lest any man boast, yes you are to proclaim the gospel, and that person can only be saved by hearing that message, but it's the...

I'd even go as far as saying He can only call those who hate Him, because we are all born in that condition. The only way we can come out of that position is by His power and draw. I know this is a bare bones take and absent any kind of nuance, but in the most simple and straight forward way of...

I agree with you here. While I do believe God knows EVERYTHING past present and future, I do not believe that means He doesn't give us agency, or a will of our own. Just because God knows what I'm going to choose doesn't ean He made me choose it. This is not a hard concept for me to grasp. I can...

Loves them enough for what? To tease them with something He knew they'd reject. Sorry man this makes no sense at all on ANY level. This would make God unsure, inept, weak, pointless, and a liar. This brings us to the fact His word completely contradicts that Jesus loses ANY the Father gives Him...

I saw a guy that could do it faster with greater easy.

Wow, I "actually" thought my proofreading skills were getting a little better, and then read "the actually act" in the very first sentence.:eek::mad: I just wanted to formally apologize to the whole community for this kind of ignorant violation. There's just no excuse. So please excuse me while...

I think more specifically about the actually act of being saved, what role we play, and most importantly who gets the glory and credit for it. My position is God gets it all. Yes, I'm alive and make decisions, no I don't believe we are puppets being controlled. I believe God gives us life, God...

Dead faith is a result of a false converstion. The person wasn't saved and then fell off, the person was never saved if they never produced any of what we'd call "works". Being saved is the only way we can do works pleasing to God. I don't think I'm following you 100% here because it sounds...

Yes, I know that's how you see it, what we seem to disagree about is that "you" are grabbing the gift, is you claiming a reason to boast, and this makes salvation not just "of God". If "you" have to grab, then salvation is of God "AND" you. I believe scripture goes to great lengths to...

I know you do, but to be fair I don't even think you know what I mean when I say we don't have free will. Does this mean I think we don't have will or agency at all? Absolutely not, I believe we have a will, I believe our choices are very important. What those on your side of the debate seem to...

I have a question for you that I'm very curious of what your answer would be. Do we even have to know we are repenting when it's happening? I ask what you think because I didn't. At the time God granted my repentance I basically saw God/Jesus/Christianity as a useless endeavor. I thought I'd...

This sounds exactly like what I describe on here every day. It's amazing how the truth lines up with His word so well. There is really only 1 part of this we disagree on when we break it down. how is it we are even able to obey His word? I say it's 100% Gods power that dives us this ability, His...

Are you really pointing to AI as an authoritative source of answers? I think I'll leave my understanding of the interconnectedness between faith and obedience to His Spirit, His word, and me. AI can kick rocks.

Any repentance involved in this anywhere? What does "believe" even mean? Can we make ourselves believe? Are we in control of this "easy" process, and what is it exactly I need to "believe" about Jesus before I'm instantly saved so easily? Look I'm asking some very basic questions about what...

I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say here to be honest. I think I do and am pretty sure we agree, but the blood of Jesus is applied to each of us when we are born-again. When we are spiritually resurrected by Gods power and reconciled to Him in spirit as we were created to be, but not...

Yea but back then I don't remember Calvin's name being brought up anywhere as much as it is now. Back then it was more about "hyper grace" vs legalism, and back then I was on the opposite side of the argument that I am now. At that point I did believe we could lose our salvation. I didn't...

This is actually a very good question and I'm not sure exactly how to answer it. I KNOW I have the Spirit because I am aware of what the Spirit even is. I know that when I only thought I was saved, but wasn't, I had no clue at all what His Spirit truly was. I thought it had something to do with...

So, you believe in a powerless God that sits back and puts the full weight of salvation on our shoulders, and teach the only ones saved are those who obey well enough, giving them good reason to boast. Sorry you describe an all-powerful Creator, highlight His sovereignty, then completely...