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  1. FlyingDove

    Breaking Down The Great Commission

    Matt 28: 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. The Great Commission...
  2. FlyingDove

    Repentance and Keeping Commandments is only the beginning of salvation.

    So all the actual scholars ate wrong & you're right? More help for the deceived: Mark 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. (MY NOTE: He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Also see Mat 3:11, Lk 3:16 & Jn 1:33) Vine's Expository...
  3. FlyingDove

    Repentance and Keeping Commandments is only the beginning of salvation.

    @ATG The NT's Trinitarian Structure Makes Loss of Salvation Impossible It begins with the irreversible saving actions of the Triune God - the Son's justifying Holy Spirit baptism, the Father's legal declaration of righteousness in Christ & the Holy Spirit's FOREVER indwelling, sealing &...
  4. FlyingDove

    Repentance and Keeping Commandments is only the beginning of salvation.

    SALVATION COME BY FAITH ALONE IN CHRIST ALONE Jn 3: 14 Just as Moses lifted up the [bronze] serpent in the desert [on a pole], so must the Son of Man be lifted up [on the cross], 15 so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life [after physical death, and will actually live forever]...
  5. FlyingDove

    Christ is the Center, The One Who Saves, Keeps & Finishes

    I'm not here to argue denominations or statistics-let's stick to Scripture & Scripture is consistent: obedience is the fruit of salvation, not the basis of salvation. Paul defines the order in the NIV's rendering of Romans 1:5: ""the obedience that comes from faith."" He repeats the same phrase...
  6. FlyingDove

    Repentance and Keeping Commandments is only the beginning of salvation.

    Topical Lexicon δικαίωσις – JUSTIFICATION Overview of the Concept δικαίωσις denotes God’s definitive judicial act by which He declares sinners righteous on the basis of the atoning work and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Far more than a mere legal fiction, it establishes a new covenant standing...
  7. FlyingDove

    Christ is the Center, The One Who Saves, Keeps & Finishes

    You're making the same category mistake Paul spent his entire ministry correcting: confusing the evidence of salvation with the basis of salvation. Jesus absolutely calls His disciples to obey Him. No disagreement there. The question is what role that obedience plays in salvation. Scripture is...
  8. FlyingDove

    Christ is the Center, The One Who Saves, Keeps & Finishes

    “Conversionless Christianity” is an oxymoron. Conversion means new birth, new creation, new heart, new Holy Spirit‑indwelt life. So the phrase ""conversionless Christianity"" literally means: Christianity without conversion. What you're calling ""conversionless Christianity"" is actually the...
  9. FlyingDove

    Repentance and Keeping Commandments is only the beginning of salvation.

    Scripture identifies Paul as a master builder (1 Cor 3:10). He wrote 13 books-nearly half the New Testament & planted more churches than any other apostle. Paul repeatedly grounds eternal life in faith placed in Jesus' Lordship, sin‑atoning death, resurrection & the obedience of One (Rom...
  10. FlyingDove

    Repentance and Keeping Commandments is only the beginning of salvation.

    None of what you wrote answers the challenge. You listed accusations, labels & unrelated passages, but you still have not produced a single post‑Acts‑10 verse where justification or Holy Spirit‑baptism is conditioned on anything other than believing the gospel of Jesus Christ. That was the...
  11. FlyingDove

    Loss of salvation???

    I believe Dan's analysis is spot. IF in Rom 8:13 - I don't believe anyone has denied that IF introduces a condition. The question is what kind of condition Paul is using in context. Rom 8 has already divided humanity into 2 realms / identities (Vs 8–11): In the flesh = cannot please God & does...
  12. FlyingDove

    Repentance and Keeping Commandments is only the beginning of salvation.

    Again, none of the verses you quoted meet the challenge. You cited fallen angels, pre‑cross Adam, Old Covenant national judgment, Saul losing kingship & Mosaic curses, none of which describe New Covenant salvation, Holy Spirit‑baptism, justification, sealing, or eternal life. Not one of your...
  13. FlyingDove

    Repentance and Keeping Commandments is only the beginning of salvation.

    None of the verses you quoted meet the challenge. Ja 2 is pre‑Acts‑10 & deals with vindication before men, not justification before God. Matt 4, Mk 1, Acts 2 & Acts 3 are pre‑cross or Jewish‑national calls to repentance, not the post‑Acts‑10 Gentile salvation pattern. 2 Cor 7:10 & Heb 6:1...
  14. FlyingDove

    Repentance and Keeping Commandments is only the beginning of salvation.

    OSAS THE NT TRINITARIAN STRUCTURE MAKES LOSS OF SALVATION IMPOSSIBLE The New Testament grounds eternal security in the irreversible saving actions of the Triune God: The Son's once‑for‑all justifying-Holy Spirit baptism, the Father's legal declaration of righteousness bases on faith in Christ'...
  15. FlyingDove

    Repentance and Keeping Commandments is only the beginning of salvation.

    SALVATION COME BY FAITH ALONE IN CHRIST ALONE Jn 3: 14 Just as Moses lifted up the [bronze] serpent in the desert [on a pole], so must the Son of Man be lifted up [on the cross], 15 so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life [after physical death, and will actually live forever]...
  16. FlyingDove

    Ephesians 2 is not preaching faith alone.

    Sorry, hit reply instead of like
  17. FlyingDove

    Loss of salvation???

    Let me try this way. Rom 8:1 ends your entire works/obedience importation before you ever reach verse 13, 17, or 30. Paul says: There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. IN-CHRIST is ""positional status,"" not ""performance"". It's grounded in union with Christ...
  18. FlyingDove

    Loss of salvation???

    The present participle ""those who love God"" in Rom 8:28 does not function as a condition that breaks or qualifies the golden chain in 8:29-30. Paul is not describing a fluctuating class of people whose status rises & falls with their emotional or behavioral performance. He is describing the...
  19. FlyingDove

    Loss of salvation???

    More of the same trying to make this about my expectations, my theology, my use of grammars & my supposed ""demands,"" but none of that touches the actual issue & no amount of appeals to your decades of reading Wallace or TDNT changes the fact that you still haven't produced a single NT text...
  20. FlyingDove

    Loss of salvation???

    I've repeatedly asked you for textual support for your objection. It's ironic that you dismissed lexicons and TDNT earlier by saying, They don't teach theology, yet now you try to import TDNT as doctrinal support. TDNT describes historical usage & semantic range, not a doctrine of reversible...