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    God LIED!

    Dcontroversal, You Misinterpret how I wrote that, I was saying the agreement is on Messiah being the only way to salvation. Period. Then second point being living a life led by the spirit, not an And statement of being necessity but that we both agree that our lives should be led by the spirit...
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    I override Constantine!

    I’m not coming against a weekly cycle being 7 days or even that Saturday wouldn’t be sabbath for that matter. What I am saying is that we shouldn’t try to align a particular day according to our calendar today comparatively to a particular day in scripture. Essentially each day in scripture is...
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    God LIED!

    I agree, the Messiah is the only way in which we are saved and our works can not save us. I do however believe that to love my God with all my heart soul and mind, I am to walk in His commandments which are listed in the Torah. I don’t say this as a “thou shalt also do” statement but rather a...
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    God LIED!

    To this I agree with you sir, the Messiah’s sacrifice is what makes us pure and clean before our God. Walking out His statutes and commandments to the best of my ability is what I feel called to do. We both agree the only way to be saved is through the blood of the Messiah, and to live a life...
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    God LIED!

    I hear you, however I’m not claiming you have to follow Torah to be saved, only that in my walk and my belief it is a way to walk in purity, Torah is not a salvation tool but rather a walk and separate-from-the-world tool. You have your views from your studies and feel that the way you walk is...
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    God LIED!

    I see, so in your opinion calling me a judaizer for following Torah is a way to try to correct me? I peacefully respect that is your opinion, and will continue to serve my Father and Saviour as I have come to see in my studies and prayer. I appreciate that you have your thoughts and beliefs.
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    God LIED!

    I don’t see how calling people names or judging a brother/sister is helpful in trying to peacefully discuss our beliefs. Truly we are all part of the body of Messiah, and must remember to treat eachother with love and peace. Just because we may not agree on certain aspects does not give us...
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    Abundant Life

    I often ponder this very thing. I think abundant life isn’t what we picture it as sometimes. For certain , to have abundant life we must reside and abide in our Messiah. But I think on Job. He was a man who had everything and was benevolent and took care of the needy and homeless and widows. He...
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    I override Constantine!

    These holy days/offering days were in addition to the weekly Sabbath in that they were special convocations centered around a festival. Much like in the church today Christmas is celebrated (by those who celebrate it, I do not, but that is not the topic at hand) on the 25th of December whereas...
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    Does God want us to choose between law and grace?

    Grandpa and Budman—- I don’t claim to walk it perfectly, and would never claim to do so. I also believe that the Torah is a tool to help differentiate us from the world we live in. It does not have redeeming power that is only through our Messiah as I have stated, I also believe and agree with...
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    Does God want us to choose between law and grace?

    I get your point here, however it’s done in a very sarcastic way. I def would caution to say Paul has any deity attributes or that you worship him even in joking or trying to make a point. Yahshua(Jesus) died for any who would believe in Him, take up thier cross and follow Him, and follow His...
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    Does God want us to choose between law and grace?

    But it is Budman, the Law is God’s statutes and ordinances on how to live in His kingdom. The law(Torah) pertains to all humans, and the Sacrifice of our Messiah gives us mercy to where we do not die according to the law, but this does not give us credence to no longer live according to the...
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    question those who do not believe Jesus is God

    Interesting topic, I have personally been studying a lot into this recently..... my personal belief through my studies is that our Messiah is Son to the Most High but is not the Most High. Yahshua (Jesus) was always with Yahweh (God). I believe He is the “Angel of the Lord” references throughout...
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    I override Constantine!

    Lev 23:11-21 is about first fruits and Shavuot. Two different feasts. We are to count 7 sabbaths and a day from the feast of first fruits which equates 50 days where the modern day church has labeled as pentacost because of the numerical 50. Not sure how this passage deals with the Sabbath or...
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    Is there a spiritual connection in what we think, do and say?

    I agree that everything we do has a tie to the spiritual realm and has implications. I also believe we are spiritual beings having a fleshlike experience to test our hearts to see whom they belong to. That is why I agree when Paul writes that we should capture every thought: 2 Corinthians...
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    Stuff in the bible that seems to make no sense

    Th This is the passage I was speaking of, because a few verses later in John 20:27 after 8 days Thomas was able to touch Him. And if we were to look in Leviticus 23 detailing the feasts of Yahweh(God) We see how Yahshua(Jesus) fulfills Passover (safety from death in Egypt and and a sacrifice...
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    Stuff in the bible that seems to make no sense

    I agree that He (the Messiah) didn’t need assistance, it was to show the might and glory that He has and also to be a sign and witness as well as instructions for the people that would come to see Him. As for the “no touching me because I have not been to the Father yet” the Messiah was to...
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    God LIED!

    i am still not sure of what you are asking or why. To answer I don’t know who states we should live unrighteous lives, I was trying to share what I feel has been shown to me through my studies and feel is the way to live as righteous a life as possible. The Torah(God’s commandments) is what is...
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    God LIED!

    I am confused by your response, this passage is speaking of following the commandments and those that do are accepted amongst other passages speaking of and pointing to the commandments being the way to live our daily lives (would be happy to discuss and post scriptures if there is interest)...
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    God LIED!

    If we aren’t suppose to keep the Commandments of God (Yahweh) then why this passage in revelation? I would like to hear what you point of view is: Revelation 22:12-16 (NKJV) 12 "And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward [is] with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 "I am...