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No, I am not saying that, nor would I imply something so errant. What I did do was highlight a distinction in your comparison to the use of the word "blameless" in two different contexts. I see how you tied them together, but the difference in who delivers this description also seems...

I agree with your assessment of Job being a "prefigure" of Jesus. Other terms I've heard are "type and shadow", which we see with other characters in bible. They are *not* Jesus, of course, but their stories reveal something of the character of the Messiah to come, namely Jesus Christ. One big...

Assuming you were affected by Milton? Hope you get power back soon if it's not up already! I see the parallels you are drawing between Job and Israel. There are a lot of things to unpack there, but here are a few thoughts. First of all, I think this supports one of the theories that Moses wrote...

Thank you for sharing your testimony here. God bless you. Also, have you ever noticed in the Book of Job that Job does in fact make inquiries of the Lord during his ordeal? In fact, if you will notice, he is the only one in the entire story actually praying, pressing in and seeking for the...

What may be helpful for our discussion is pointing out where we do agree. Please let me know if you think otherwise, but it seems we both agree that Job is one kind of person at the beginning of the story, and after his ordeal is raised to a new level of insight, understanding, and revelation...

Wouldn't correcting Job be the help that needs (if Elihu is his mediator)? Wouldn't wanting to correct also serve the purpose of helping him? How are they not inextricably linked in purpose? If satan elevated himself above God, it would be laughable. As believers, we know this will amount to...

Right. You believe God is essentially accusing Job of self-righteousness when he points him out to satan. I believe that is your position, correct? So with all of this talk of Elihu, instead of being enamored by the length of his speech, can we go through and look at what he says? Can we...

I've never heard anyone characterize Job's words that way, i.e., all this suffering doesn't bother me a bit. I don't think anyone taking this story seriously and reading Job's actual words take this view. However, Job does endure the suffering patiently, as James deduces in his epistle in...

I have to say that I personally like some of the things you say regarding parts of the story of Job. In some ways, it would be much easier to accept your interpretation. However, the problem is that in order to do that, some glaring basic facts and details provided to the writer have to be...

Yes, Job thinks God is angry with him. What other conclusion could he draw under the circumstances? But outside of Job's limited understanding, where do you find support for this idea? We have evidence and confirmation of God being angry with the three friends, but what confirmation do you have...

It does not say Job sinned not. True. It also does not say Job sinned either. This is not a strong argument. In fact, there is more evidence that he did not sin based on what it does say, i.e., he did not sin with his lips. Have you considered why the author specifies that Job does not sin...

I do not believe Job is flatly calling God unjust. Under the extreme circumstances of what has happened to Job, isn't it logical he would ask questions along this line? But more importantly, the fact that Job seeks God, pursues God, presses in to know why this was allowed to happen underscores...

I agree that men wrote the books of the Bible and that God is ultimately the Author. Could not agree more with you on that point. Regarding Elihu, again what does the amount of words have to do with it? I've explained this point before in detail (see previous posts). Still, the question posed...

Job is not Jesus. Of course. But do you not see the parallel between them? Specifically, do you not see the parallel between Job's ordeal of suffering and Christ Jesus' passion when He went to the Cross and suffered punishment as an innocent Man? Not sure you answered the question that was...

Your question is, "Where does God say Job is suffering undeservedly after the second test?" This question seems quite muddy. The first thing Job suffers is the loss of his children and possessions. The second thing Job suffers is the loss of his health. The rest of the story is Job bemoaning...

Excellent question. This entire story is a test of God's relationship with man, and in this case Job. God knows His relationship with His creation is more than merely transactional (otherwise He would never had let Job be tested in the first place.) Job also knows it is more than transactional...

Yes, I think it is fair to say there were two tests. I know others have disagreed with you, but I have no problem calling them two tests. So, let's break this down. We could call them "tests" or perhaps "trials" would be fitting, too. In the first test, Job loses all of his possessions and his...

Not sure I follow you’re train of thought, but I’ll play along. Job passed the first test, as you have stated. Then on the heels of that he faced his “second” test. He did not deserve the first test so he clearly did not “deserve” the second, right? If he passed the first test as you say, what...

Correct, not everything God says to Job is a question. However, the overwhelming way God addresses Job is in the form of questions. This is not so with Elihu. Not even close. God's approach to Job and Elihu's *form* of approach to Job are overwhelmingly different. Job is expressing in real...

In 40:2. God is basically asking Job if Job is going to follow through with his lawsuit against Him and press charges for wrongdoing. Going with a courtroom analogy, Job's answer is effectively "no". Job drops his case and withdraws his complaint.