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  1. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    Yes, of course, 2 Timothy3:16 is what we believe about Scripture. Are you afraid that poetry is a part of it? As for the questions you raised, I have addressed these and answered them before, but I'm happy to do it again for you in case you missed it somehow. 1. When did Job lose his...
  2. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    Then read what Elihu concludes after Job 34:9 in the next two verses: Job 34:10,11 “Therefore listen to me, you men of understanding: Far be it from God to do wickedness, And from the Almighty to commit iniquity. For He repays man ...and then read what Elihu concludes immediately after in...
  3. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    In your study, have you ever learned about how the bible was written? Have you ever encountered the fact that Hebrew poetry is an integral part of it? This is very common knowledge, and there are many places to learn more about it. And, no, nobody was talking about "poetic license". That is...
  4. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    How do you know Elihu was present when God required the sacrifice for the 3 friends? After God appears in the whirlwind, Elihu he is not heard from or mentioned again. Why do you believe he is still there? I would encourage you to look closer at what Elihu says and give more consideration to...
  5. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    The reason I am asking is because you laid out such a great example of the use of Hebrew poetry in this book, specifically that of parallelism. You did it so well it made me wonder if you were already familiar with it. Chapters 1 & 2 of Job clearly parallel each other, as you have aptly pointed...
  6. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    Thank you for laying these points out. How familiar are you with parallelism in Hebrew poetry?
  7. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    So when does Job lose his integrity? The answer is he does not lose his integrity, as evidenced in the text in Job 2:9. Additionally, what follows is Job continuing to maintain his integrity in the face of his wife urging him to do the exact opposite. Herein again, Job refuses to curse God as...
  8. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    (Circling back real quick to respond to your question from earlier...) Nobody is saying the man "cursed" his friend in the morning in Proverbs 27:14. If you see it, the point of the proverb is to express how blessing someone inappropriately (i.e., in this instance “loudly in the morning”) would...
  9. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    Yes, the occasion would be when someone is using sarcasm. Also, here is what I found to the Blue Letter Bible link you provided H1288: KJV Translation Count — Total: 330x The KJV translates Strong's H1288 in the following manner: bless (302x), salute (5x), curse (4x), blaspheme (2x), blessing...
  10. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    It seems very reductionary to make the understanding of the use of this word here so black and white. We already know hot does not mean cold, and that bless is not literally defined as curse. But what we can do is ask what the expression of this word in Job 1:11 and Job 2:5 actually means in its...
  11. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    So is it your opinion that satan's prediction of Job about the second test was correct? barak: To bless, to kneel Original Word: בָרַךְ Part of Speech: Verb Transliteration: barak Pronunciation: bah-rahk Phonetic Spelling: (baw-rak') Definition: To bless, to kneel Meaning: to kneel, to bless...
  12. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    So Job suffers the loss of his possessions "without cause" in the first test, and responds by saying, "Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD." The first test is without cause, and...
  13. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    I think these are important questions, and I'm glad you bring them up. Thank you. As dramatic as Job's statements are, I do not believe they are in conflict with each other. Rather, what Job is expressing is everything that he is experiencing during his trial. All of what he is saying directly...
  14. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    No worries. It's all good. We've been typing Elihu so much, and Eliphaz starts with the same letters, so it's an easy mistake for any of us.
  15. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    I see what may have happened. That first headline near the top of your post says "Words of Elihu". Did you mean "Words of Eliphaz", Job's friend?
  16. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    Another example of Job speaking right about God is found in chapter 28. It is chock-full of how much greater God is than man and extolling God about how He understands the way of wisdom. The end of chapter 28 Job states what God has said about wisdom: Job 28 And unto man He [God] said, Behold...
  17. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    Job never speaks to Elihu in the story. Which verse are you referring to? Was it when Job said this perhaps in Job 12:3? 3But I have understanding as well as you; I am not inferior to you: yea, who knoweth not such things as these?
  18. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    Okay but there is something much more important to recognize here. I believe we both agree that God is Job's Redeemer. No question. So when Job says that his Redeemer lives, Job is speaking of the living God, Yahweh, and what Job is saying about God is right, as we have both agreed. Now when...
  19. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    Thank you. The reason I was trying to clarify was because of something else you wrote. This is from you post #244 in your other thread: "All of Job"s words up to chapter 38 were condemned by God. Job 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?" You wrote that all of...
  20. christophernyc

    Who is Elihu?

    Sorry, I was just trying to clarify. Was wondering if you meant Job's prophecy was accurate or not. That's all. Do you think he was right in what he said in 19:25?