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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Quick question. Why should someone become Christian if Christians cant agree, and think everyone is going to hell. How many golden tickets are being passed out through the Christian faith? If I tell a baptist im going to become pentecostal, they say no, their ticket is no good, but if I tell a...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    The works part is actually faith and belief. I've already went into detail about this. No where in the bible does paul ever mentioned grace without faith or belief being a contributing factor. Paul indicates, that cooperation in bestowing the grace must be met with a cooperation on the part of...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Well here it is. I've already shared a lot of information on my view. You can go back through the post and take a look at what I've had to say. There's nothing more that we need to discuss. Thanks for sharing your view. I can see that you're very bias and angry towards Catholics. And that's not...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    God bless.I always enjoy conversations like this. Thank you for being patient and taking the time so I can share.
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Don't forget the part after that. He also says through faith, and I've already explained what faith is. Faith requires a response, faith requires action, faith requires cooperation with god's grace, and what he's doing in your life. But faith is even more than that. Because faith also means...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    And I am agreeing that salvation is only accomplished through God's grace, but it does not say that grace accomplishes salvation. You still have a choice, and you still need to choose if you're gonna cooperate with god's grace.
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Also I wasn't basing everything I sent you off of what you said.I'm basing everything I sent you off of what I said. You say that what I'm sending and what I'm communicating is a little off. Well, I would agree, according to you it would be. That's why I'm sharing.It's called having a dialogue...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    And as Paul indicates, the cooperation in bestowing the grace must be met with a cooperation on the part of the person receiving the grace. Otherwise (if no action is taken) it will be rendered vain. Thus in biblical language there is a human cooperation needed both in the giving and in the...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    I think we agree an a lot. What we disagree on is what God's grace accomplishes for the individual. I personally believe that God's grace is to help but not to achieve salvation. Whereas you believe that God's grace is to achieve salvation. There is no where in the Bible where you can point and...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    2 Peter 1:3-4: “His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may escape from the...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    New Living Translation Dear friends, you always followed my instructions when I was with you. And now that I am away, it is even more important. Work hard to show the results of your salvation, obeying God with deep reverence and fear.
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    “Work with anxious concern to achieve your salvation. It is God who, in his good will toward you, begets in you any measure of desire or achievement. In everything you do, act without grumbling or arguing; prove yourselves innocent and straightforward, children of God beyond reproach.” Phil...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    The reason why I'm angry with this response is because I'm concerned that you believe that you're walking on the right path, but really you haven't even Begun. I shared with you what it means to have belief and faith, and what accepting God's grace really means. And I'm fairly confident after...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    This response really angers me because it just shows me that you really don't have a good foundation for the faith, and you completely misunderstand what it means to be Christian.So let me break it down for you. What does grace mean: In Western Christian theology, grace is created by God who...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Right. If you're gonna completely disregard everything else that Paul said about becoming a slave to righteousness and to run the race until you reach the finish line. Then sure, why don't you go with that. Like I said, you're not taking cooperation with God's grace into consideration. Paul...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Again, I'm not here to discuss the Catholic faith or its dogmas. This isn't the place, this isn't the time for it. I'd also be breaking my agreement by coming to this site, because this is a site where I am to discuss the Bible. I also wanna point out. You started by attacking the Catholic...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. Notice how there is no "alone" in these two verses.
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    There's nowhere in the Bible that says anything about faith alone. Unless you're using a lutheran Bible. Which Martin Luther added that to the Bible. But he also says that revelation and first and second John and James are not authoritative books. So you have fun with that one. And you're right...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    To be completely honest, I'm gobsmacked and taken back that bright fame would have any say on morality and the plan of God's salvation. When bright fame already believes that everybody is saved whether they repent or not. There is no consequence or punishment for not believing in this dogma...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    I 100% agree.And if you read the article that I posted pertaining to what the pope actually said, you may find that it's also in agreement with what you're saying.