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Brother, I'm not blind that you have to magnify your quotes giant-size--it's the equivalent of screaming at me! ;) Do you really have to try to *force* your position upon others by screaming at them, by threatening them, or by accusing them of heresy? ;) So then I have an answer for you. Paul...

I think you're stating things in the wrong terminology. It is the one covenant of Christ who affords different applications of this one covenant to the nations who embrace it. There may be one covenant for France and another for Italy, but they both represent the same Christian covenant. So...

Yes, I just answered that for someone else. The purpose of the Law was both faith for righteousness and the testimony against our obtaining eternal life by the works of flawed humans. No system, apart from Christ, can obtain eternal life. So yes, the Law succeeded in its purpose. It proved men...

There is a lack of commentary applying this to the opening post. Of course, we all agree on the Great Commission. Clearly, we are not just to teach people within nations, but to teach "nations," which includes their politics and social standards. They are to know that God's Kingdom places...

The separation of nations due to their ungodliness does not explain the creation of nations themselves. It only explains that the basis of their unity is not blessed by God. Nations result from families, which become communities, and eventually nations. This is all part of God's design, if only...

Yes, thanks for responding. I think I see where you're coming from, though I have a different interpretation. Fulfillment of the Law is not a continuation of the Law. And when Paul said Jews would be judged by the Law he was rhetorically speaking of the time Jews lived under the Law, not of the...

It's surprising, from an historical pov, that so many on these forums and elsewhere utterly reject any notion of God making covenants with nations today. Clearly, God made a covenant with the nation Israel during the period of the Mosaic Law. That covenant failed, even as the original promise...

I was actually raised a Lutheran from birth. Have been in church almost every week of my life. After 16 years old I began to attend an independent Pentecostal church led by a Lutheran pastor who had been kicked out of his Lutheran denomination for teaching the "gift of tongues." I take pride in...

I realize that a country is not just its leader. But my point was that God promised Abraham *nations of faith.* That doesn't mean every citizen of a Christian country has to have genuine faith or practice true Christianity. What is required to fulfil this promise is to have a nation with a...

I agree. I believe the singular "seed" is used as a corporate entity, which Paul identified as Christ, the basis for Israel's natural inheritance with Abraham. What that indicates, to Paul, is that Christ was expressed, corporately, as the singular descendant of Abraham who would give...

Please check out my post #188. Thanks.

Please carefully read post #188. Thanks.

Sorry, this is a direct quote from this page: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+17&version=NKJV It's from the New King James Version... Gen 17.7 7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting...

My point was that God began with Abraham by promising him a biological posterity in the form of a single nation. Later, He added the promise of "many nations" by extending his fatherhood to a spiritual fatherhood. We know that was fulfilled through Christ, who has extended the faith of Israel...

I don't know how many more ways I can say it. It is a combination of both things, genetics and being chosen/elected. If one is elected by God as a faithful steward, he can be a Jew or a non-Jew. But God has promised there will be Jews who will be elected as faithful stewards. God has also...

Ah, I see your issue. You think that choosing Isaac invalidates genetics and makes God's election preeminent. I was arguing the opposite, that choosing Isaac validates both genetics and God's election. Not only was it essential that Isaac be related to Abraham, his father, but beyond that it was...

Every version must defer to the original versions. I don't prefer using an outmoded language. Abraham as a nation is, in fact, Israel! ;) No, of course I'm not forgetting Gal 3.29. This didn't say we are "Abraham's nation!" I disagree. Abraham's descendants, both natural and spiritual, are...

I have been providing it to you. And so I've struggled mightily to explain how what I'm seeing is answered by those passages. Once again... Matt 21.43 Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. Rom 9.7 Nor because...

It's not an insult to your IQ to say I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Perhaps you do, but it doesn't sound like it. Israel was separated from pagan nations around them by the Law of Moses. Adhering to that they were exhorted and warned not to follow the sinful ways of the pagan...

I had to ensure you understood what I was saying 1st before giving you my Scripture references. So let me know if you understand that I'm saying other nations are given the same status as Israel was given under the Law--only now they have Christ as their basis for being "nations of God?" The...