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Joshua 6:2-15… Then Yahweh said to Joshua… March around the city once with all the armed men. Do this for six days… On the seventh day, march around the city seven times… IS GOD TALKING TO JOSHUA ABOUT SIX LITERAL DAYS FOLLOWED BY A SEVENTH LITERAL DAY? YES OR NO? Exodus 20:9-11… Six days...

The article claimed that if Felix were to have spoken from that altitude, it would make no sound because the air molecules were few and far between. Is that an accurate paraphrase?

You always seem to have time to make condescending ad hominem attacks. Interesting that you don't have any time to have even a cursory discussion about that Red Bull jump from "the edge of space". But I still thank you, because if not for you and Magenta, I wouldn't have stumbled across that...

Amen. Which is exactly why I've repeatedly distinguished "science" from "Scientism" in this thread. There is absolutely NOTHING in the entire realm of science that refutes the Bible. And you are right, there are now thousands of bonafide scientists who argue from the actual evidence that the...

While I anxiously await the possible return of @Jocund , I want to thank all of you who helped me make (and more importantly, HONE) my Biblical case here. That especially goes for the many who ran away from the discussion defeated (Magenta, Dino, Gideon, Eli, etc), because your initial...

Hey @Jocund , what happened to you?

I don't understand. The balloon is not in the firmament, and the sun is above the balloon, right? Please elaborate. Btw, it's not me that describes heaven as a solid dome firmament, but the Bible.

Absolutely! Blows your mind - and the heliocentric model out of the water. How can a huge sun 93 million miles away, the light from which is said to hit the earth in parallel rays and evenly, produce this effect?

And imagine if Adam and Eve had just said no. Or if Satan's angels had just told him no when he stirred up a rebellion against God. So many different paths this world could have taken. 🤔

Sorry, I spaced off the "where" part of your question. Yes Gary, I see the seven wandering stars as stars that transgressed their God-appointed circuits, but remain in the firmament, running their own circuits until their time for punishment arrives.

I have made no such implication - nor would I have reason to considering that you just said you don't consider Darwinian evolution to be science at all. I have only asked a simple question. If common descent evolution is not science at all (as you rightly point out), then what name do WE give...

God created time for us - beginning with His creation of a "day" (a light/dark cycle on earth).

Gary, we can glean from the Bible that God not only created these lights and set them in the firmament of heaven, but also gave them appointed circuits to run above the earth. These seven stars (Greek: planétés, from which we get "planets") transgressed God's command and decided to run their...

I don't know. Are the sun, moon, and stars solid objects? The Bible only calls them lights. Perhaps the firmament is like a cell wall in our bodies... solid enough to keep the right stuff in and out, but also passable. Jude 1:13-14... They are... wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness...

What then do we call the millions of "scientists" who believe it, promote it, teach it, and do their best to convince everyone that it's not up for debate, because it is scientific fact?

You basically said what I have been saying throughout this thread, but have posed it as if you are correcting me about something. Gary has already corrected you on your "fulfilled prophecies" statement. Allow me to correct you on your "conflate the two" assertion... Dino, is Darwinian...

I think that over time, men came to understand the air under the firmament as the first heaven, the solid firmament containing the sun, moon and stars as the second heaven, and God's dwelling atop the firmament (ie: Ezekiel 1:26) as the third heaven.

You are not wrong. Exodus 20:11… For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them… Psalm 96:11… Let the heaven rejoice, let the earth be glad; let the sea resound, and all that is in it. Acts 4:24… “Sovereign Lord,” they said, “you made the heaven...

We were talking about the REASON for not just simply letting a forward-facing and backwards-facing camera run non-stop during rocket launches and space flights. Why not just let everyone see for themselves the earth getting increasingly smaller while the moon or Mars or the ISS or whatever gets...

Hi Gary. We need to properly translate that verse... New King James Version Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.” Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges [in the open...