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    Pre-Trib vs Post Trib and 1 Thess. 4:15

    Here is one more thing to consider regarding the "supper".. do you think the Saints are hungry for meat and wine? Or do they hunger for the righteous judgment of God poured out on His enemies? "And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and...
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    Pre-Trib vs Post Trib and 1 Thess. 4:15

    the Marriage has many parts to it, one being the supper.. the supper is the judgement on Satan's armies, Rev 19 makes it crystal clear.. whether there is an actual feast after that to celebrate the victory, or the judgment itself IS the supper makes no difference in that the supper is on earth..
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    The Apostle Paul Taught the Gospel of Jesus

    Is Paul prophesying the 1000 year reign of Christ and that God is later joining the Son on the New-Earth? 1 Cor 15: 24Then the end will come, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. 25For He must reign until He has put all His...
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    Pre-Trib vs Post Trib and 1 Thess. 4:15

    I'm no expert in Jewish customs, but from what I read The Marriage Supper is part of the Marriage.. and after that the husband brings his bride to their new home (final part of the Marriage).. eventually that place is the new-earth where new-Jerusalem descends out from the new-Heaven..
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    The Second Coming is NOT the Rapture

    reason I brought that up is so everyone is on the same page regarding the "tribulation period".. since we are discussing pre-tribulation, post-tribulation, mid-tribulation, etc..
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    Pre-Trib vs Post Trib and 1 Thess. 4:15

    The "Marriage Supper of the Lamb" is the defeat of Satan's armies at Armageddon: REV 19: 9And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. 10And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he...
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    Pre-Trib vs Post Trib and 1 Thess. 4:15

    Lazarus was raised also earlier, but I assume he was not raised into the eternal, incorruptible body.. so as with these saints you mention.. they were probably for a sign, but "sleept" again later.. for they neither stayed here on Earth until Christ's return, nor ascended into Heaven as Jesus...
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    Pre-Trib vs Post Trib and 1 Thess. 4:15

    "will not precede", is just the exact order of things.. however the rapture is right after that.. I imagine it like this: Christ is given the word from the Father to begin His descent.. the souls of the first resurrection are given their eternal incorruptible body.. these start to follow Christ...
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    The Second Coming is NOT the Rapture

    Correction: - Those that are beheaded of their faith (whether of great trib or not)
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    The Second Coming is NOT the Rapture

    The rapture does not have to be done in secrecy for one to consider TWO resurrection for the Saints.. From what I understand, as the rapture happens, the first resurrection is also taking place and these two groups meet the Lord in the air. This is almost like one event. However, I still...
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    Why is attributing the work of the Holy Spirit to Satan unforgivable?

    remember that the miracles Jesus were performing by the Holy Spirit were signs confirming that Jesus came from the Father indeed, and that people may believe.. This same Holy Spirit also declares that Jesus is the Christ.. Now, if one denies the Holy Spirit, they are also denying the truth of...
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    The Second Coming is NOT the Rapture

    But if one is taken from a middle of a crowded street I think they are still to be seen as they are being taken up.. In regards to the rest of your response, I never supported any idea regarding a phantom third coming... you have probably mixed up reading my discussion with Beckie perhaps (?)
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    The Second Coming is NOT the Rapture

    no disappearing.. Christ is seated at the right hand of God until the appointed time.. while it is true that God's judgments are pouring out before the "great day", Christ is not leaving the throne until he starts His descent and with that His glorious return.. during this descent He is in the...
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    Does the Bible support the idea of a spinning ball earth flying through space, or is that a Satanic, Masonic lie?

    For that no.. but there are other controversial issues such as the age of the earth, whether the earth is the center of the universe, countless books filled with worldly knowledge.. our senses are bombarded with lies from the evil one constantly.. but we have come to know the Truth through God's...
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    The Second Coming is NOT the Rapture

    You are stating "Scripture say" like I am not quoting from scripture.. take a look at the following page and see how that majority of translations use what I wrote before: https://biblehub.com/john/20-17.htm Example of New King James: Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet...
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    The Second Coming is NOT the Rapture

    On the John 20:17 passage Jesus saw what was in Mary's heart, so Jesus warned her not get too comfy about Him being there in the body for too long.. His earthly ministry in the body was soon over,.. many translation use the phrase "do not cling to me"... also "do not hold me" as in holding Him...
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    Does the Bible support the idea of a spinning ball earth flying through space, or is that a Satanic, Masonic lie?

    the world God created in Genesis 1 is a pre-fallen world.. the prince of the power of the air can make it seem really different from that... don't you think?
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    is Luke 21:28 referring to the rapture or Jesus' second coming

    first they are killed for their faith.. but then later they will take on the AC after they are resurrected.. that is the marriage supper of the Lamb.. I am convinced the following text is not talking about actual birds, but the saints that were killed for their testimony, and also that are...
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    Rev. 9 "angel of the Abyss"...

    "whose name in Hebrew is [1]Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name [2]Apollyon. " 1 - Destruction 2 - Destroyer -------------------- Do you think this "angel" is the same as: 1. 7th head of the beast ("And when he comes, he must continue a short time." ) 2. 8th head of the beast 3. Beast...