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My last thought here for today, on topic. No, I don't think a non-believer can receive baptism of The Holy Spirit. Only a true believer can achieve that. But, that doesn't mean He isn't near.

Great. I look forward to more discussions.

I really didn't have a question. My comments were in response to DJT_42 and Lamar's stance that water baptism was a requirement for salvation. BTW: It was my zeal to show them wrong and a little anger (which I should not have had) that led to my comment about your GIF. I actually thought it...

For saying it to you, yes, I was. I am embarrassed and I hope you will accept my deepest apology.

I now see that it wasn't you that posted that. It was DJT_47. I don't know where I got that so confused with thinking you posted it and I deeply apologize for my mix-up. I do hope you understand that I was arguing over what was said and it was nothing personal to you or DJT_47. Again, I am so...

There it is.

It's your post, not sure how someone putting you on ignore would cause you not to see your own post. I'll quote it in my next post.

Post #39. Your post. Denial of fact also doesn't help.

You typed this: "Peter says baptism saved us. 1 Peter 3:21, so, you're not correct. Also, nowhere in the bible does it describe baptism nor its reason as you have. It is an outward expression of nothing, but rather a command that must be obeyed in order to secure our salvation." If you were...

I think you may have baptism confused with the Jesus' sacrifice.

I don't have to. You did it yourself. You already stated that a person has to be baptised to gain salvation. I'm really sorry that you can't understand that.

I find your GIFs a little childish, It's like you're applauding yourself for thinking you have bested another Christian with your "knowledge".

And your belief that the terms of salvation includes works doesn't make you right. In fact, just the opposite. As if the blood of Christ isn't enough so that we have to do something also.

You are mistaking justification of a true faith for salvation. Abraham believed God and it was counted for righteousness. Years before he offered Isaac. This was Paul's stance in his letter to the Roman's Romans 4: "What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh...

Before his death? Fair enough. But these guys? In Acts 10:44-48, Cornelius and those with him were converted through Peter's message. That they were saved before being baptized is evident from their reception of the Holy Spirit (v. 44) and the gifts of the Spirit (v. 46) before their baptism...

You can bully and goodbye all you want, the Bible doesn't not include water baptism as a condition of salvation. Paul never intended it to be a commandment. That isn't what he taught nor the instructions given to him when he went to Jerusalem. In fact, he told us that if we even tried to fulfill...

I posted many earlier. There was something said to those that wanted to throw works into the plan of salvation. Paul made it clear that it was faith alone. James made it clear that true faith will lead to good works.

Neither will works for salvation.

Let me make something clear. I do believe that someone who has truly been saved should want to be baptized in water as a symbol of the true baptism by the spirit to the edification of the church. But, this is an action from faith and has nothing to do with salvation. If physical baptism in water...

You are the one contradicting scripture. There is no command to us to be baptized by water as a condition of salvation. I don't know if this will help you are not, but read Galatians 2 and see if that helps you to understand. And, if you believe that water baptism is a condition of salvation...