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They already have the gifts. Paul is just helping them to understand them and use them properly. We can see in Chapter 14 he tells them how to use them orderly. When Philip went to Samaria he could do miracles but he could not give them. The apostles had to come there to do that. 18 Now when...

They already had the gifts. No gifts are being given in 1 Cor. 12

There are no gifts being given in 1 Cor. 12. Paul is helping them to understand the spiritual gifts that they already have. They have a variety of gifts but they are not working together and value some gifts over others. 25 that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may...

What passages would you use to support this?

If you don't mind, maybe you can help me to understand why you believe we still have spiritual gifts today by helping me with how I misunderstand what the bible is telling me. I think a logical place to start would be how does someone receive a spiritual gift. This is what I see the bible...

With all due respect, based on your reply I see you are seeking to justify what you believe and not seeking/understanding truth. For you to say the exact opposite of what scripture says is not surprising. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; Of course you're...

I say no. The gifts of the HS had a purpose. That purpose has been accomplished. They were given to the apostles and only the apostles could give them to someone else by the laying of hands. The purpose was to establish the church by: Guiding the apostles into all truth. When Jesus ascended...

This is a good question and one I ponder because I do not like to dress up. I'll offer a thought question and verse as my answer. Imagine what you would wear to go before/meet someone you regard as highly important here on earth. Therefore let us be grateful for receiving a kingdom that cannot...

I'm sorry but I don't see how you can come to that conclusion based on the wording of the verse. 11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, If the...

I suggest the verse tells us when and why it happens. I'm going to suggest some things and then not bother you with this. Please consider. I'm sure you know that what Paul means by being circumcised, he is telling them they are God's chosen people, heirs to the promise. It says having been...

It says they were circumcised having been buried in baptism. I don't see how it can mean anything else. What do you believe it says? And do you know a verse that tells us when/what/how we are circumcised?

I obviously failed at getting my point across. Yep, skills need work. :) True God circumcises our hearts. When does He do it? 11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been...

I got it it cause I got skills :) This is how I came to that conclusion. You said grace is unmerited favor, I agree. People will take that and say baptism is a work and that those who believe baptism is necessary are trying to earn (merit) salvation. As you rightly said, baptism does not...

So you're saying by being water baptized that would be merited grace and therefore could earn our salvation?

I commented on this post and you didn't get back with me. If it was by choice, please disregard this reply. If not, please consider what I'm suggesting. Were the Romans, Galatians, Ephesians and Philippians water baptized when they heard the gospel and believed? Also, you say salvation is...

My .02 Depends on how you look at it. Before Jesus's sacrifice, everyone was ungodly. There was no sacrifice for sins available. For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much...

You say Paul's gospel doesn't include baptism yet everyone he preached to and believed was baptized. You say when Jesus said be born of water and Spirit that the water is physical birth, yet everyone we see receive the HS was water baptized. If you can't see your understanding of scripture...

In your current understanding, does Israel today include Gentiles?

If there is one baptism and it's Spirit, then there should be NO water baptism at all today. That's one too many baptisms. When the Gentiles received the HS directly from God, we see them then get baptized. Is this water of their physical birth? 47 “Can anyone withhold water for baptizing...

Again, there is so much here to comment on, I don't know where to begin. I suggest many take 1 Cor. 1:17 out of context and conclude Paul's gospel did not include baptism. That is false. Paul's gospel did include baptism, every time. Please consider, not someone's misunderstanding of a verse...