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  1. sawdust

    There will be no Rapture!!!

    Not sure why you think Revelation is written to Israel, it is written to the Church unless you are thinking it was just for the Jews in the Church, which I find makes less sense as their is neither Jew nor Greek in the Church. I also don't understand why you think the apostles were not sealed...
  2. sawdust

    There will be no Rapture!!!

    Ok. Mysteries are unexplained phenomenon.
  3. sawdust

    There will be no Rapture!!!

    No I wasn't confusing you with others, I said that for the sake of others as you asked me to explain why I said what I said re broken fellowship. I do realise you know we cannot lose our salvation however I do disagree with you on some of the things you said in your post but I have a busy...
  4. sawdust

    There will be no Rapture!!!

    I said only believers enter the Millennium. The Millennium lasts for a thousand years. There will be people born during this time. There is no guarantee all those born will turn out to be believers. Indeed, at least one very good reason to have a Millennium is to show, that even in perfect...
  5. sawdust

    There will be no Rapture!!!

    I have no real idea of what you mean by "The resurrection is the epitome of rapture". The Rapture, as in 1Thess.4:17 rapture, is the Resurrection of the Church. They are the first rank of believers to be raised from the dead after Christ. Believers come in different classes and this is not...
  6. sawdust

    There will be no Rapture!!!

    By whom or what are your works to be done? The Spirit or the flesh? Obviously the works of the Spirit are the works that please God and these cannot be performed if you are not in fellowship (on speaking terms, as we would say) with the Lord. There is also the issue of how can being spewed from...
  7. sawdust

    There will be no Rapture!!!

    Being spewed out of Christ's mouth is about loss of fellowship, not about being made spiritually dead again. Christ promised those who believe in Him will never die. (Jn.11:26) As you noted, they are still believers even though they are walking after the flesh. If we apply 1Jn.1:9 and confess we...
  8. sawdust

    There will be no Rapture!!!

    What do you think the rapture is? The rapture is the Resurrection of the Church. If you're raptured, the whole Church is resurrected. I can assure you, I do not have an immortal body .... yet. ;)
  9. sawdust

    There will be no Rapture!!!

    Do you sin? (rhetorical question) If yes, then you are not raptured.
  10. sawdust

    There will be no Rapture!!!

    Ah. Don't recall ever hearing that before. I've heard Christ won't return until the Gospel has been preached everywhere throughout the world but I don't recall hearing that connected with the fullness of the Gentiles coming in. You learn something new everyday. :)
  11. sawdust

    There will be no Rapture!!!

    Ok. So do you see salvation as all encompassing and by that I mean there are no distinctions among groups of believers? iow All believers from all times become a part of the Church?
  12. sawdust

    There will be no Rapture!!!

    My understanding of the term "fullness of the Gentiles coming in " is a reference to the completion of the Church, not the salvation of all Gentiles, so MM would be around for that (assuming he's alive at the time of the Rapture). I'm interested in how you both understand that phrase.
  13. sawdust

    Would Christ Vote?

    I'm not Christ with all authority. You asked in your OP "should we follow His example?" Does this mean you are going to usurp His rule and do the appointing yourself? How Christ operates and how we operate under Him, are two different issues. We cannot follow, to the letter, everything Christ...
  14. sawdust

    Would Christ Vote?

    You are comparing apples with oranges. Maybe you have not been paying attention because I have repeated this many times. USA (or any other nation running on democratic principles) is not a nation created and chosen by God like Israel nor is it an organism created and chosen by God like the...
  15. sawdust

    Would Christ Vote?

    Clearly because there was no voting in His day, but what would He do today in the countries that do have voting? The reality is you have no idea but you're quite happy to state categorically He wouldn't based on an argument from silence. He didn't do it when it wasn't available so he won't do it...
  16. sawdust

    Would Christ Vote?

    I have no problem with facts, just your interpretation of them. :) He never sent an email, text, phone call or made an online post so best we all stop communicating electronically as well. Afterall, if He wanted to do any of those things, He would have come at a different time but He...
  17. sawdust

    Would Christ Vote?

    Sure mate, it was the right time simply because He didn't want to vote. :rolleyes:
  18. sawdust

    Would Christ Vote?

    When was He given the opportunity? They didn't have elections as we know them in ancient Rome so your argument is rather nonsensical.
  19. sawdust

    Would Christ Vote?

    What??? Where on earth do you get that from what I said? Church and state are separate. My appeal has been to scripture showing how secular governments are to be obeyed and how we, still being in the world, ought to be responsible citizens and exercise our civic duty. Stop projecting your own...
  20. sawdust

    Would Christ Vote?

    You're the one who seems to be confused. You keep saying we shouldn't take responsibility for electing those who determine the direction of our countries and constantly comparing your nation to the only theocracy instituted on this Earth as if somehow God gave you your laws written on stone and...