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    Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

    I guess you didn't understand the Matthew 10 passage I quoted. Not even a sparrow falls to the ground apart from God's WILL. Or that God numbers all our days upon this earth and even the number of hairs on our head. God's decrees (in whatever form) far outnumber all the stars in the universe...
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    Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

    Neither do I. But I do know from scripture that God is totally Sovereign and in control of this world -- down to the tiniest, seemingly mundane, insignificant details. Have you never read: Matt 10:28-31 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground...
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    Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

    So you say he's is "sovereign" and is not required to run the world that way I think, as a Calvinist? Then educate me and inform me how you require your sovereign ruler of the world to run the place. How do you KNOW God is running the world the way he wants to? Did he tell you this...
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    Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

    Then God cannot be omniscient. God is just like finite man: He learns, acquires, accumulates and stores knowledge? But thankfully, the bible says differently. God's Book speaks of people like you: Ps 50:21 21 These things you have done and I kept silent; you thought I was altogether like...
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    Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

    Do you understand the difference between theism and deism? If so, are you a deist, then? And if so, who is running this world? Anyone?
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    Predestination is misunderstood...

    1 Cor 6:1-3 6:1 If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints? 2 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? 3 Do you not know that...
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    Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

    P.S. One more thought. I do agree with you that some unregenerate men seek God because there are four kinds of hearts these kinds of men have, according to the Parable of the Four Soils in Luke. Of course, only one kind of soil (heart) will bear fruit.
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    Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

    I think we have to understand Rom 3:11 in the larger context of scripture, most especially those passages that deal with the dismal, dire spiritual state of fallen mankind. For example, when Paul said, "No one seeks after God", my mind immediately references such texts as Jn 1:5; 3:19-20. The...
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    Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

    Okay...so what is YOUR understanding of God's will? Does God directly decree all things that come to past, such as his decrees in the creation account in Genesis or his three-fold post-fall decree (Gen 3:15-19, 22-24)? If so, is this the only kind of decree in scripture?
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    Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

    So...God Omniscient changed his mind re Hezekiah after learning that the king repented? Is that your understanding?
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    Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

    I agree totally. Like many universal or absolute terms, we should understand the Universal Indictment of mankind to to be limited to sinners (all those in Adam) as opposed to saints (all those in the Last Adam). All God's saints are eternally justified and will never come under God's...
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    Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

    None of God's DECREES can be thwarted. Did you read the two passages in Jer 26 & 36 that I cited yesterday? Do you understand what the figure of speech that is called an anthropomorphism means?
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    Predestination is misunderstood...

    Awesome! You sound a lot like David H. Gay. (y)
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    Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

    Acts 17:24-31 24 "He is the God who made the world and everything in it. Since he is Lord of heaven and earth, he doesn't live in man-made temples, 25 and human hands can't serve his needs — for he has no needs. He himself gives life and breath to everything, and he satisfies every need there...
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    Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

    Of course, you won't do it! You painted yourself in a corner again with your foolish, outlandish claim that God has been drawing men to him since Day One of Creation. :rolleyes::rolleyes: Well, then, answer me this question Einstein: If God has been drawing men to him for all these...
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    Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

    But you can't reconcile your interpretation with Rom 3:11, as I explained earlier. Generations of people talking "about God" did not and could not empower them to actually seek him. You refuse to believe that it takes a supernatural act of God that actually QUICKENS the hearts, minds and souls...
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    Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

    Prove from scripture what I highlighted in red. God also commanded all Israel to keep his Covenant of Law. How did that work out for Israel? Also, if God has been drawing all men to him from day one of Creation, then all men must be saved. How can it be otherwise? Jesus did not say in John...
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    Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

    While man is totally helpless spiritually he is still morally culpable because we were all in the "loins of Adam", as it were, when he sinned and, UNLIKE us, Adam came into this world with no spiritual handicaps for he was born alive unto God, without any proclivity to sin and without any guilt...
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    Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

    If that's case, then why MUST God draw the elect to Christ? Jesus said that "All the Father gives me to me WILL come to me" (Jn 6:37). Notice how different that language is from Act 17: 27 that says that "PERHAPS [men would' reach out for him and find him". Jesus was most emphatic in his...