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Well then...you can do something God apparently cannot do. Did the Father love Jesus based on motivation that came strictly from within Himself? And you ducked my question about marriage. Do you love all women the same way you love your wife? And you're missing the real issue here: The...

Hah...but did God predestinate his elect in eternity or in temporal reality? Election doesn't take place in space and time. It occurs before the beginning of time. Of course, we were all proud, card-carrying vile sinners here on earth prior to hearing the Gospel. Did Jesus come to save the...

Of course it does! Are you going to tell us that you love some child that you never met, never knew who lives 10,000 miles away from you in the same exact way that you love your own child? You might tell us that, but I would never believe that. Why? Because you have an actual relationship...

And you love each and every single person in the world that you don't know or ever will know in the same exact way that you love your own? What about the overtly wicked enemies of God? Do you have the attitude of David? Or do you think David was way behind the times and he never caught up to...

But would you love them in the filial sense if they weren't yours? You love them because they BELONG to you; just as God loves his elect because they belong to him -- and they belong to him because he sovereignly brought them into a covenant relationship with himself. As far as us loving our...

Yeah...and IF "IFS and BUTS were candy and nuts, everyday would Christmas, too. I take Jn 3:17 at face value and understand it to be that God sent Jesus into the World to save the Gentiles nations, which is precisely what God promised his Faithful Servant he would do on his behalf, i.e. make...

What is "a lot of work": looking up the seven passages I cited re the covenant of love?

No, it isn't. You love YOUR children (as opposed to all the other children of the world) because they are YOURS. You love your children because they are a PART of you.

Yeah, Jn 3:16-17 is very clear and plain. If God loves each and every person in the world (even those He NEVER KNEW) :rolleyes: , then to be consistent you have to say that v. 17 is saying that God sent his Son into the world to save all men w/o exception. Also, you obviously make no...

PT recently cited some writer who came up with four kinds of love. But if the writer had dug a little deeper into the Word he would have discovered a fifth kind of love: God's Covenant of Love (Deut 7:9, 12; 1Ki 23; 2Chron 6:14; Neh 1:5; 9:32; Dan 9:4). I have alluded to this covenant quite...

Huh? And what kind of love would that be? Would it be "agape" style love, as PT suggested? Re your last paragraph: Been there, done that -- most especially with Jn 3:16! What you and many others don't understand (or don't want to understand) is that the ancient Hebrews NEVER thought of...

Huh? And what kind of love would that be? Would it be "agape" style love, as PT suggested? Re your last paragraph: Been there, done that -- most especially with Jn 3:16! What you and many others don't understand (or don't want to understand) is that the ancient Hebrews NEVER thought of...

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IOW, you really don't know or aren't very sure of the kind of love God has for his children? Would it be a lower grade love than Abraham had for Issac when he went to offer him up to God out of obedience? Okay...so permit me to reframe my question because you just muddied up the waters a bit...

Okay then...does God love anyone in the filial sense? If so, who? And I take it that you see no difference between God's common grace which generally benefits all men in temporal reality and God's saving grace which spiritually and eternally benefits many men?

You apparently share Peter's anticlimatic sentiment about this so called earthly, millennial reign in 2Pet 3, as he urged his audience to look past it and to to eagerly look forward to the promise of the restoration of the universe (new heavens and new earth).

The Man in the Moon. Who else? :coffee:

So...just to be clear: You believe that Jn 3:16 teaches that God loves all men w/o exception, even all the God-haters of this world?

Read Rom 3 some day. No one seeks God except the ones God has given to his Son and whom God effectually draws to Him!

Actually, that will be Jesus' words to virtually all unbelievers since none of them were ever brought into a personal, intimate, loving covenant relationship with their Creator-Redeemer. And don't forget: The path is narrow that leads to life, and few are those who find it.