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The subjects are the flesh and blood beings that will be here. In the fathers Kingdom we are all brothers and sisters because everyone will be immortal. Saints that die during the great tribulation will make the first resurrection. Also the great tribulation is 3.5 years all over revelation and...

So there is a rapture for special Saints? LOL Man who taught you all these lies, like, seriously? There are TWO resurrections. The first one occurs when the 7th trump is blown as highlighted by Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4: 13 - 17 the second one occurs after a 1000 years. Jesus will be ruling...

The Memorial of the blowing of the trumpets is a High Sabbath outlined in Leviticus the 23rd chapter and it reminds Saints what will occur when the trumpets are blown. Jesus does not leave Heaven until the 7th trump is blown. Which means during the great tribulation you and everyone else that...

Wait so its common knowledge that caught up and ascended means two different things? That is very interesting. I guess when someone walks in from the streets seeking Jesus that's what you tell them. How does one get caught up to Heaven (3rd Heaven) and ascend to Heaven (3rd Heaven) to mean 2...

It says he was taken up which means he ascended into heaven because Heaven is above the Earth. THE ONLY WAY TO GO UP IS TO ASCEND. You guys are making it seems like there are two different meaning when its literally the same. Heaven has always been above the Earth. I read it in my bible.

You can take your time I will be back later to see your answer with scriptures. Isaiah 8: 20 20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Then use examples in the actual scriptures to show the difference, there are 66 books in this bible for a reason. Pull out of your treasure things old (Old Testament) and new (New Testament). To the law and to the testimony.

Dude why are you confusing me, just post the scripture I don't know what G4198 and all that stuff means. If you aint got no scripture then say so. I deal with the uncut word of GOD. If I can't read it then I don't believe it.

Yes I believe that scripture 100% but you notice every time the word Heaven is used in the bible it doesn't tell you which Heaven is being referred to? psalms 148: 1 - 4 1 Praise ye the Lord. Praise ye the Lord from the heavens: praise him in the heights. 2 Praise ye him, all his angels...

Ok, so use scripture in the bible to show the difference between caught up and ascended because this is news to me.

The very fact that PAUL said this "Such an one caught up to the 3rd heaven" Then he said this in 1 Timothy 6: 16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. Paul wrote the...

I read it again, you are correct, the 24 elders were named men. Their names are in 1 Chronicles 24: 1 - 5, 7 - 19. That's why I mentioned that there are 3 Heavens. Earth is Heaven mate. The sky where the clouds and birds fly is the 2nd heaven and where Jesus and the Father is the 3rd Heaven.

It is Christ himself and this is how I know. John 3: 12 - 13 12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven...

Argument? This is what I am doing.... 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. I have proved that all Saints are going to be on Earth including Moses after both resurrections and you have not done so with the...

What do you mean Paul was not among them, last I read Jesus ascended into Heaven alone in fact I posted Acts 1 already no one else went to Heaven with Jesus not even David. Read the scripture, as a matter of fact read it directly from your bible. Paul said this in the last verse: 1) Only JESUS...

That is a lie

That's my entire point, if you cannot prove that Satan was in Heaven while speaking to GOD in the book of Job then why did you say it? Then turn around and make it seem like I am lying? I am a man and I can lie which is why I post the scripture, so you believe the WORDS that GOD left because I...

No he did not he is literally talking about Jesus Christ that's why he couldn't tell. Paul is not going to heaven and he confirm himself that no man can approach that light. 1 Timothy 6: 13 - 16 13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who...

Revelation 4 is a description of GOD's throne it has nothing to do with the Saints throne in Revelation 5. Jesus promised us his throne not his fathers throne. Did you actually read the scripture I shared?

So read the scripture, stop trying to interpret scripture. There is no private interpretation and I can read that to you. Revelation 12: 9 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his...