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Stop pretending that you don't have your own biased system based on the school you went to and the school you teach at now (where you teach the New Testament). We know it's hard to break free from something you've been so comfortable with for Lord knows how many years. It's all a part of the...

To sum this up from Matthew 6:9-13 and Luke 11:2-4: Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name; thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us; and lead us not...

You just can't ignore the Old Testament. All Nations Coming to Worship in the Temple Isaiah 2:2–3 – "In the last days the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established as the highest of the mountains… and all nations shall flow to it, and many peoples shall come, and say, 'Come, let us go...

You might want to read all of Zechariah 13 over again. It's talking about the time when Jesus returns back to the Jews after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in to wipe all of the idols and false prophets out of the land of Israel so that they're forced to recognize who He is.

You actually have to move over to Zechariah 13:6 to see that Jesus is there talking to people. Zechariah 13:6 - And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

No, the Bible tells you that the covenants were UNCONDITIONAL, meaning both a literal and spiritual fulfillment.

That's because you're blind to the Old Testament and the way it was meant to be read. I didn't say current events have fulfilled anything yet. I said that current events have been showing where it's leading and it's leading towards a fulfillment of what's been written. Prophecy was written in...

No, all you keep doing is contradicting yourself. When you say that everything is already fulfilled and then use allegory to explain prophecy in the Old Testament as only "shadows", you aren't reading the scripture the way it was WRITTEN. It was written the way it was for a reason, and that...

Yes, Zechariah 12 is a prediction of a literal war and we see it starting to shape currently on the earth. I'm not retrofitting anything. I can see when armies are starting to gather against Jerusalem and I can see the hostility that all of the nations at the U.N. are using against it too...

You can't use the New Testament to throw away the Old Testament. They work together to complete ALL prophecy, both literal and spiritual. The Abrahamic & Davidic Covenants will both be fulfilled literally before the permanent state of Heaven is realized.

Once again, Zechariah 12 is a literal prophecy that will be fulfilled in the future. Jesus will destroy all the nations that have ever come up against Jerusalem. You and I both know that the Islamic nations are trying to do just that. Maybe if you did a little research on Islamic terrorism...

No, the Bible shows you (when you read the Old Testament books, the ones Jesus said He would fulfill in Luke 24:44) that there is absolutely both a literal and spiritual fulfillment of the Covenants.

Those verses I used in Luke were backed up by the verses I showed you in Zechariah 12. When you see armies surrounding Israel, be watching because that's when Jesus chooses to return for battle to save the land from the rest of the world, specifically the Islamic nations.

No, you need to revisit the covenants again. The Four Covenants with Israel Abrahamic Covenant: An unconditional covenant where God promised Abraham descendants, land (Canaan), and that all nations would be blessed through his lineage (Genesis 12, 15, 17). Mosaic Covenant: A conditional...

You're missing the "prophetic telescoping" being used in Luke 21. While the original war happened in 70 AD, a much larger war is coming and verse 22 shows you that it is for a purpose of "vengeance" to complete what has been written. The "vengeance" that God/Jesus takes out against those who...

Luke 21:20-22 20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto...

Thanks for helping out! Now let's hear your view on the Millennial Kingdom period. Do you believe it exists? Do you believe it happens after Jesus' return or before? Do you have scripture to back up your view?

I did get the message. I apologized. Now you want to harp on it and derail the discussion. Why do you feel the need to do that? You're only leading me to believe that you have no idea what we're talking about.

I'm seriously doubting that. Excuses are what people use who don't have anything to contribute.

I'm talking to you because you're the one who insists on bringing it up. Do you have anything else to contribute to the discussion that's worth listening to?