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  1. Cee

    Eternal Security/OSAS is Bad Doctrine

    We are good. I apologize if I've made you frustrated. I believe our eternal security in Christ to be very important. So it's something I have worked to reconcile with all of Scripture. Without an understanding that we are now joined to Christ a lot of the new creation realities/promises we have...
  2. Cee

    Eternal Security/OSAS is Bad Doctrine

    Interesting reply. Just because I am honest enough to admit that this is a harder passage to understand, I'm not sure why you chose to answer this way. If you want someone to tell you exactly what this passage means good luck. I believe in intellectual honesty and this is one of the harder...
  3. Cee

    Eternal Security/OSAS is Bad Doctrine

    Alright so we both agree it's not the literal interpretation. So in this case we have to seek God, context, and prayerful study to understand these harder passages. So I'll share my thoughts with you. Okay notice what the author is focusing on in this passage...all these good life producing...
  4. Cee

    Eternal Security/OSAS is Bad Doctrine

    Actually 1 Co 13 does make a lot of sense being where it is. You see chapter 12 is about the gifts, but then he says... but I show you a better way... chapter 13 (love)... and 1 Co 14 is about desiring prophesy over tongues... because it helps others (love).... We can see his argument flow like...
  5. Cee

    Eternal Security/OSAS is Bad Doctrine

    Well, before I answer that, let me agree with you the most literal interpretation would seem to say that if we sin, we can't be forgiven. But I don't believe that. Do you? I don't think that's the proper interpretation. Especially since so much of NT Scripture is written to believers who are...
  6. Cee

    Eternal Security/OSAS is Bad Doctrine

    He's correct. Hebrews is written to exhort believers to stay under the redemption of Christ. They were being persecuted by the Jews. Hebrews is written extensively about the sufficiency found only in Christ. And the author shows systematically why Christ is the fulfillment of the old system...
  7. Cee

    Eternal Security/OSAS is Bad Doctrine

    This is spot on. Believe in the Greek is man's part. Faith is God breathed and in response to looking to Him. (Hebrews 12:2) Belief calls it done, faith knows its done. Here's the nail in the coffin of temporary security: 1 John 5:4 For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world...
  8. Cee

    Eternal Security/OSAS is Bad Doctrine

    Matt 13:19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is where doctrinal paradigms comes into effect. Some people read this and see, "word of the kingdom" as simply being eternal life. And...
  9. Cee

    Eternal Security/OSAS is Bad Doctrine

    Romans 14:4 Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
  10. Cee

    Eternal Security/OSAS is Bad Doctrine

    Just because you feel "horrible when I sin" doesn't exclude you from the label of sinning willfully. The good news is this Scripture isn't talking about not having repentance from sins. Much of Scripture is written to exhort believers who were sinning. It's talking about there not being any...
  11. Cee

    Is it faith not obedience, obedience not faith, or faith and obedience

    We are saved by faith. But faith works. This doesn't justify us to God, but it shows our faith to others. We can't be obedient if we are not saved. It doesn't work. Because obedience in the NT is loving one another as He loved us. If we are not lead by the Spirit we are not sons of God. We are...
  12. Cee

    Predestination or free wiil.

    Great topic! Here's my thoughts: We do obey God, but we don't obey Him to be saved. We obey Him because we ARE saved. There's a fine difference here, but it's a big one. If we try to do works to be saved, we fall from grace. There is no security in our relationship and no loved received. This...
  13. Cee

    Not By Works

    2 Peter 1:5-7 For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, mutual affection; and to mutual affection, love. We ARE saved by...
  14. Cee

    OSAS= House Built on Sand

    You'd have to ignore a lot of Scripture to believe that. The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. The Pharisees sought the Scripture, but were unwilling to come Him. We are transformed from glory to glory. His glory. Looking at Him sets us free. Holy Spirit is our Teacher. And when Jesus...
  15. Cee

    IF YOU ARE A SINGLE PARENT..WHAT "GIFT" GIVEN TO YOU ECONOMICALLY, WOULD MAKE YOUR DAY? (can be a PERSONAL gift OR general gift for you and kids etc)

    I think a great gift would be getting her a baby sitter. And taking her out in some way. It depends on her unique personality of course. Look for what she's missing. And see if you can help her with it. If she's always busy with the kids, help her with a babysitter. If she struggles with money...
  16. Cee

    OSAS= House Built on Sand

    You mean like the false belief that God doesn't speak to us? John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me You have a lot to learn, my friend. Your words are correct in many ways, but you don't follow your own words. They witness against you. I hope you discover Jesus'...
  17. Cee

    OSAS= House Built on Sand

    Haha, the self-righteous usually do. They love to correct, but they avoid it themselves.
  18. Cee

    OSAS= House Built on Sand

    Hmm, interesting. Well I AM a true believer. So, according to your POV. If you don't agree with my Scripture understanding, what does that make you?
  19. Cee

    OSAS= House Built on Sand

    Unfortunately one can read Scripture without coming to God. One can have all the right doctrinal beliefs without coming to God. One can have all the right "outward" works without coming to God. There's only one thing that saves us - coming to Him. He alone is eternal life. There is no other way...
  20. Cee

    OSAS= House Built on Sand

    Lol. You don't even know me. And you're already judging yourself superior to me. But, tell me some more about how awesome your Scriptural understanding is compared to me and 90% of all other Christians? Here's one you can start with: Phil 2:3 Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility...