144,000 SEALED

[Jakotis]

This is another number which Christians are struggling with.The Bible says in REV 14;the Following;
1.The sing before God New song
2.No one else can learn the song apart From them
3.They had been redeemed from the earth
4.These are those who did not defile themselves
5.They Follow the Lamb to where they go.
6.They were Purchased From among Mankind and offered as First borns
7.They are Virgin.
8.No Lie was ever Found in their Mouths
9.They are Blameless

LETS DISCUSS IN CONTEXT TO MATTHEWS;2;17-18.

 

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They are 144,000 descendants of Abraham.. Of the 12 tribes.. They are innocents.. The shadow of this happened in the OT when the Jews came to the borders of the promised land.. The Jews refused to enter in the promised land and rejected the two witnesses report of the Land.. So God caused them to walk in the desert of 40 years until the generation that rebelled had died.. But the innocent little ones of the Jews who did not take part in the rebellion where allowed to enter into the promised land..

In the book of revelation a similar situation is described.. The Book of Revelation likewise has two witnesses who give a report of Gods true Kingdom but will be rejected and killed.. And likewise 144,000 innocents of the Jewish people will be preserved through the end times..

 

[Jakotis]

They are 144,000 descendants of Abraham.. Of the 12 tribes.. They are innocents.. The shadow of this happened in the OT when the Jews came to the borders of the promised land.. The Jews refused to enter in the promised land and rejected the two witnesses report of the Land.. So God caused them to walk in the desert of 40 years until the generation that rebelled had died.. But the innocent little ones of the Jews who did not take part in the rebellion where allowed to enter into the promised land..

In the book of revelation a similar situation is described.. The Book of Revelation likewise has two witnesses who give a report of Gods true Kingdom but will be rejected and killed.. And likewise 144,000 innocents of the Jewish people will be preserved through the end times..

THANKS BRO,THOUGH IM LOOKING FORWARD THEY FIT ABOVE DESCRIPTION IN FULL.
1.The sing before God New song
2.No one else can learn the song apart From them
3.They had been redeemed from the earth
4.These are those who did not defile themselves
5.They Follow the Lamb to where they go.
6.They were Purchased From among Mankind and offered as First borns
7.They are Virgin.
8.No Lie was ever Found in their Mouths
9.They are Blameless

 

[Ahwatukee]

This is another number which Christians are struggling with.The Bible says in REV 14;the Following;
1.The sing before God New song
2.No one else can learn the song apart From them
3.They had been redeemed from the earth
4.These are those who did not defile themselves
5.They Follow the Lamb to where they go.
6.They were Purchased From among Mankind and offered as First borns
7.They are Virgin.
8.No Lie was ever Found in their Mouths
9.They are Blameless

LETS DISCUSS IN CONTEXT TO MATTHEWS;2;17-18.

Greetings Jakotis!

First of all, Matt.2:17 has nothing in common with the 144,000 mentioned in Revelation 7 & 14.

Rachel weeping for her children is in reference to when Herod had all of the male children 2 years old and under put to death. The reason for the males only being put to death was because the Magi told Herod that they had seen "His" star.

Secondly, there are three symbolisms in Revelation 12:

1). The woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under feet and wearing a crown of twelves stars

2). The woman gives birth to a male child

3). A red dragon with seven heads, ten horns and seven crowns

According to Genesis 37:9-10, the woman is symbolically representing the nation Israel:

Sun = Jacob

Moon = Wife/wives

Eleven Stars = eleven of the twelve tribes with Joseph being the twelfth.

Since the woman is not a real woman but is symbolically representing Israel, then neither is her pregnancy a literal pregnancy, nor is her child a literal child.

Regarding Revelation 14, the 144,000 are said to be those who did not defile themselves with woman, which would infer that they are all males, ergo the male child.

In Revelation 7:1-8, there are 144,000 Israelites who are sealed by God, 12,000 from each of the twelve tribes with Manasseh replacing Dan. These 144,000 will recognize Jesus as their Messiah, which is in opposition to the woman/Israel who does not recognize Jesus as their Messiah. The woman as unbelieving Israel is then symbolically giving birth to 144,000 believing Israelites, i.e. the 144,000 are coming out of the woman Israel, ergo, gives birth to.

 

[Jakotis]

Greetings Jakotis!

First of all, Matt.2:17 has nothing in common with the 144,000 mentioned in Revelation 7 & 14.

Rachel weeping for her children is in reference to when Herod had all of the male children 2 years old and under put to death. The reason for the males only being put to death was because the Magi told Herod that they had seen "His" star.

Secondly, there are three symbolisms in Revelation 12:

1). The woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under feet and wearing a crown of twelves stars

2). The woman gives birth to a male child

3). A red dragon with seven heads, ten horns and seven crowns

According to Genesis 37:9-10, the woman is symbolically representing the nation Israel:

Sun = Jacob

Moon = Wife/wives

Eleven Stars = eleven of the twelve tribes with Joseph being the twelfth.

Since the woman is not a real woman but is symbolically representing Israel, then neither is her pregnancy a literal pregnancy, nor is her child a literal child.

Regarding Revelation 14, the 144,000 are said to be those who did not defile themselves with woman, which would infer that they are all males, ergo the male child.

In Revelation 7:1-8, there are 144,000 Israelites who are sealed by God, 12,000 from each of the twelve tribes with Manasseh replacing Dan. These 144,000 will recognize Jesus as their Messiah, which is in opposition to the woman/Israel who does not recognize Jesus as their Messiah. The woman as unbelieving Israel is then symbolically giving birth to 144,000 believing Israelites, i.e. the 144,000 are coming out of the woman Israel, ergo, gives birth to.

THANKS ALOT BUT ITS SAID THESE 144,000 ARE ALREADY IN HEAVEN AND THEY GO EVERY PLACE THE LAMB GOES.HOW COULD THEY BE BORN AGAIN AND THEY ARE REQUIRED TO RECOGNISE THE LAMB FAST BEFORE THEY START ASIGNMENT??

 

[Ahwatukee]

THANKS ALOT BUT ITS SAID THESE 144,000 ARE ALREADY IN HEAVEN AND THEY GO EVERY PLACE THE LAMB GOES.HOW COULD THEY BE BORN AGAIN AND THEY ARE REQUIRED TO RECOGNISE THE LAMB FAST BEFORE THEY START ASIGNMENT??

The above is false. In Rev.7:1-8 the 144,000 are being sealed on the earth in their mortal bodies.

In Rev.12:6 the male child which is a collective name for the 144,000, are "caught up" to God and His throne.

In Rev.14 John is seeing a vision of the 144,000 after they have been caught up to God's throne, I.e. in heaven.

Your making all of the letters all capitalized is not going to change those facts

 

[Jakotis]

The above is false. In Rev.7:1-8 the 144,000 are being sealed on the earth in their mortal bodies.

In Rev.12:6 the male child which is a collective name for the 144,000, are "caught up" to God and His throne.

In Rev.14 John is seeing a vision of the 144,000 after they have been caught up to God's throne, I.e. in heaven.

Your making all of the letters all capitalized is not going to change those facts

NO MUCH MEANING FOR CAPITAL LETTERS ONLY FOR VISIBILITY.WE MAY NOT UNDERSTAND ALL SECRETS OF GOD AND THIS DOES NOT AFFECT US IN ANY WAY SO LETS NOT STRUGGLE SO MUCH ABOUT IT.GOD BLESS..

 

[Ahwatukee]

NO MUCH MEANING FOR CAPITAL LETTERS ONLY FOR VISIBILITY.WE MAY NOT UNDERSTAND ALL SECRETS OF GOD AND THIS DOES NOT AFFECT US IN ANY WAY SO LETS NOT STRUGGLE SO MUCH ABOUT IT.GOD BLESS..

It's for the sake of the accurate teaching of God's word that contend for it.

The Male Child is a collective name representing the 144,000, who will be "caught up" to God's throne before the dragon/Satan can kill them. The word 'harpazo' translated as "caught up' is the same word used when the living church is changed and caught up, which means to snatch up with sudden force. This is what is going to happen to the 144,000/male child in the middle of the seven year period. After they are caught up, Satan goes after the woman/Israel who will have given birth to them i.e. believing Israel comes out of unbelieving Israel. But she/Israel flees out into the wilderness to that place prepared for her by God where she will be cared for during that last 1260 days, which is the last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period.