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"...and the other problem is...that there is a presumption in favor of the government when there is a disagreement, so essentially the government is saying that...when we think that you're a terrorist but we're not quite sure, we're just going to assume that you are and we're going to put you on this watchlist..."
‘How do you find out that you are on the US no-fly lists? The hard way’ — RT Op-Edge
"RT: People cannot even find out if they are on the list. Is that legal?
JDT: This is technically an unclassified document, but the Justice Department has invoked state secrets which is something that is pretty foreign to the US tradition. In a lawsuit brought by someone who was added to no-fly list it refused to disclose it, it insisted that the courts should not turn it over because it would be a threat to national security. That is ridiculous. It might be embarrassing to the national security state. But no, there is no way to find out that you are on the list until you can't get on an airplane. There is no real appeals process. You can object and kind of go through a form, but there is no way to get yourself off various watch lists that are included in here. And there is no justice, there is no due process involved in this at all. So how do you find out that you are on there? The hard way."
Fly in the ointment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ecclesiastes 10:1 Dead flies make a perfumer's oil stink, so a little foolishness is weightier than wisdom and honor.
"...and the other problem is...that there is a presumption in favor of the government when there is a disagreement, so essentially the government is saying that...when we think that you're a terrorist but we're not quite sure, we're just going to assume that you are and we're going to put you on this watchlist..."
‘How do you find out that you are on the US no-fly lists? The hard way’ — RT Op-Edge
"RT: People cannot even find out if they are on the list. Is that legal?
JDT: This is technically an unclassified document, but the Justice Department has invoked state secrets which is something that is pretty foreign to the US tradition. In a lawsuit brought by someone who was added to no-fly list it refused to disclose it, it insisted that the courts should not turn it over because it would be a threat to national security. That is ridiculous. It might be embarrassing to the national security state. But no, there is no way to find out that you are on the list until you can't get on an airplane. There is no real appeals process. You can object and kind of go through a form, but there is no way to get yourself off various watch lists that are included in here. And there is no justice, there is no due process involved in this at all. So how do you find out that you are on there? The hard way."
Fly in the ointment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ecclesiastes 10:1 Dead flies make a perfumer's oil stink, so a little foolishness is weightier than wisdom and honor.