Against Cessationism part 3

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As mentioned before Cessationism is adding to the Bible. It adds to the prophecy of 1 Corinthians 13 which is not fulfilled yet. It is the most dangerous false doctrine because Cessationist do not believe in the works of the Spirit today. It is dangerous because they could blaspheme the Holy Spirit. They do not even believe that the Spirit is doing works, so they call it something else.
It would be good for Cessationist to consider the danger they could be in if the Holy Spirit is doing works today. They are in danger of committing the unforgiveable sin, just like the people who did not believe Jesus works were from God.
 
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As mentioned before Cessationism is adding to the Bible. It adds to the prophecy of 1 Corinthians 13 which is not fulfilled yet. It is the most dangerous false doctrine because Cessationist do not believe in the works of the Spirit today. It is dangerous because they could blaspheme the Holy Spirit. They do not even believe that the Spirit is doing works, so they call it something else.
It would be good for Cessationist to consider the danger they could be in if the Holy Spirit is doing works today. They are in danger of committing the unforgiveable sin, just like the people who did not believe Jesus works were from God.
As a self professed conservative continuationist myself Jonathan I have to tell you that you have become that which you would speak against for your very first line is absolutely false.
Cessationism is not adding to the bible in any way
DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE YOU THROW ACCUSATIONS AROUND.
Cessationism: is the view that the miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as tongues, prophecy and healing, ceased being practiced early on in Church history

It would be welcome if you would substantiate with scripture to support your beliefs as this is the only way your thoughts may be edifyed among theologians and Christians alike in accordance with the scriptures.
If your thoughts jive with scripture then you will have no problem using scripture to support them
 
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this is not an honest thread.
 
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this is not an honest thread.
well.....if you believe the lie does it excuse it any?


Johnathon how many times does Jesus have to die on the cross?

How many times does God lay the foundation of His church before building His church upon it?

Do you lay a new foundation after the first is set or do you build upon the existing one?


Here are some Bible verses to help you figure it out.

Ephesians 2:19-21
New King James Version (NKJV)
19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord,
 
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I was in the chattrooms today. I spoke against a false manifestation.
I was asked if I had any spiritual life, then warned about blapheming
the Holyspirit......very typical :)
 
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Doesn't say that the building of the temple stopped it said It Grows into a holy temple is it done being built?
 
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Doesn't say that the building of the temple stopped it said It Grows into a holy temple is it done being built?
never stated it did but we are talking about the foundation not the walls and the roof at this moment.

have you ever meet a cessationist who says God no longer adds to His temple? I haven't.

are you trying to erect another strawman? I can only handle one at a time, and Johnathon put his up first.
 
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never stated it did but we are talking about the foundation not the walls and the roof at this moment.

have you ever meet a cessationist who says God no longer adds to His temple? I haven't.

are you trying to erect another strawman? I can only handle one at a time, and Johnathon put his up first.
Easy with the strawman thing
my bad for misinterp on the response to Jonathan as opposed to myself oops sorry!
 
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Jonathan knows what a cessationist believes. To say they believe the
Holy spirit is not at work in the church and each believer..is dishonest.

To go further with the threat of them blaspheming the Holyspirit is
even more of a tacky typical thing that has grown in popularity for the most
part actually leveled at those who teach against false teachings or false
manifestations.

There is plenty of room to disagree with anothers theology, but if you cant
be honest about it...then its just dishonest and unfair venting.
 
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Jonathan knows what a cessationist believes. To say they believe the
Holy spirit is not at work in the church and each believer..is dishonest.

To go further with the threat of them blaspheming the Holyspirit is
even more of a tacky typical thing that has grown in popularity for the most
part actually leveled at those who teach against false teachings or false
manifestations.

There is plenty of room to disagree with anothers theology, but if you cant
be honest about it...then its just venting.
AHH Your more familiar with him then and his previous posts than I
 

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As mentioned before Cessationism is adding to the Bible. It adds to the prophecy of 1 Corinthians 13 which is not fulfilled yet. It is the most dangerous false doctrine because Cessationist do not believe in the works of the Spirit today. It is dangerous because they could blaspheme the Holy Spirit. They do not even believe that the Spirit is doing works, so they call it something else.
It would be good for Cessationist to consider the danger they could be in if the Holy Spirit is doing works today. They are in danger of committing the unforgiveable sin, just like the people who did not believe Jesus works were from God.
actually it is you who is in danger.
you have thoroughly misunderstood and misrepresented cessationism, and the Holy Spirit.
get educated on the matter before you continue jonathan. for your own sake.

(and you do not know what the unpardonable sin is...better find out).

Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'

please answer:

was Joel saying that Pentecost would be continuous, or re-start in the final days (Latter Rain)?
yes or no
 
Feb 16, 2011
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well.....if you believe the lie does it excuse it any?


Johnathon how many times does Jesus have to die on the cross?

How many times does God lay the foundation of His church before building His church upon it?

Do you lay a new foundation after the first is set or do you build upon the existing one?


Here are some Bible verses to help you figure it out.

Ephesians 2:19-21
New King James Version (NKJV)
19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord,

1 Corinthians 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

None of the verses about the foundation teach cessationism. It is a false doctrine to add to the Bible. The gifts of the Spirit are never called the foundational gifts in the Bible. The Bible never says that the works of the Holy Spirit will cease after the foundation was laid. In fact the foundation was laid before the day of Pentecost. So obviously there is no problem with the baptism of the Holy Spirit after the foundation in laid. Cesssationism is a false doctrine. Nothing about the foundation teaches that the gifts of the Spirit will cease when the foundation is laid.
 

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1 Corinthians 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

None of the verses about the foundation teach cessationism. It is a false doctrine to add to the Bible. The gifts of the Spirit are never called the foundational gifts in the Bible. The Bible never says that the works of the Holy Spirit will cease after the foundation was laid. In fact the foundation was laid before the day of Pentecost. So obviously there is no problem with the baptism of the Holy Spirit after the foundation in laid. Cesssationism is a false doctrine. Nothing about the foundation teaches that the gifts of the Spirit will cease when the foundation is laid.

YOUR ENTIRE SYSTEM IS COUNTERFEIT
a cheap set of imitations.
tongues are languages not gibbering.
you're not a prophet (and you're in a lot of trouble for your blasphemy)

Montanism was an early Christian movement of the late 2nd century, later referred to by the name of its founder, Montanus, but originally known by its adherents as the New Prophecy. It originated in Phrygia, a province of Asia Minor, and flourished throughout the region, leading to the movement being referred to elsewhere as Cataphrygian (meaning it was "from Phrygia") or simply as "Phrygians". It spread rapidly to other regions in the Roman Empire at a time before Christianity was generally tolerated or legal. It persisted in some isolated places into the 6th century.
Although it came to be labelled a heresy, the movement held similar views about the basic tenets of Christian doctrine to those of the wider Christian Church. It was a prophetic movement that called for a reliance on the spontaneity of the Holy Spirit and a more conservative personal ethic. Parallels have been drawn between Montanism and modern day movements such as Pentecostalism, the charismatic movement, and the New Apostolic Reformation.[1]
 
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1 Corinthians 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

None of the verses about the foundation teach cessationism. It is a false doctrine to add to the Bible. The gifts of the Spirit are never called the foundational gifts in the Bible. The Bible never says that the works of the Holy Spirit will cease after the foundation was laid. In fact the foundation was laid before the day of Pentecost. So obviously there is no problem with the baptism of the Holy Spirit after the foundation in laid. Cesssationism is a false doctrine. Nothing about the foundation teaches that the gifts of the Spirit will cease when the foundation is laid.
I'll go slow with you.... when did the foundation finish being laid?

Are people still writing books to the BIBLE or is the Bible complete?