Alternate Theory to Hell? Genuinely Curious of your Opinions.

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gomlbrobro

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Some of you may have read my previous posts concerning the doctrine of hell projected in to the hearts of us Christians by professing preachers of God's Word. Sure they mean good intentions, though the interpretation of scripture could be looked at from a different angle that, in fact, would solve the contradictory identifier of God's Holy Image as a God of hate, rather than a God of Love, which is found so much throughout the Bible. There is equal and more rational evidence that falls in line with scripture that needs not to be interpreted as an everlasting torment in hell, rather an "Annihilation" of one's soul from ever existing. This is the main concept but actually read the article... Don't just blast your comments on here without reading my argument. You're here to help, right? You're not here to shun a young Christian's belief in order to resolve your own uncertainty, are you? I hope not... Anyway...

I believe in hell, but I refuse to believe in the common doctrine of hell that is believed by so many Christians today simply because they follow what their parents, friends, and preachers press on them. Look at it objectively and see if you reevaluate your opinion. If you still believe in your preexisting opinion, I completely respect that; however, it is good to have many opinions so that your Holy Spirit can then choose for you which one is best.

Read this and honestly put away existing beliefs - don't let your environment shape your beliefs!
It is honestly a great article and provides some solid evidence guided by God's Word.

Read all of it and comment your opinion - whether it be a rebuttal of the article or an agreement.

http://www.jeremyand...les/eternal.php

I would greatly appreciate it.
 
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Dorcas

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Can you please put into your own words what your beliefs are, or paste the article. I am interested and would like to reply but I don't like to click on random links because of the potential of getting a virus on my computer.
 
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Breeze7

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I read the article.

I am going to say everlasting torture and torment does not make sense and chosing to have that option with free will does not make sense.
Here again I have to say that a before life would really help clarify the heaven-hell concepts. Why?, I feel it would make more sense that as a child of god we selected a mission for the lord in this life in the world. I feel like missions might be pulling someone who was hell bound up toward heaven or waking someone up from a hellish existence.
Do I think there is punishment, hmm, I feel there are results. Choices lead to outcomes. There are scales, weights and measures and all that. Even Jesus said as you would measure it out so would it be measured out for you but come back doubled or three times. I know that's not his exact words but you can discern I'm sure.
Annihilation, this is tough to accept for me personally fully just because of my existence in the world of the relative. Without down no up without cold no hot you know. This again is why I feel an experiential realm that resides parallel or at the same time as a heaven or hell completes the greatest picture to my thinking. I'd like to hear or see others responses on this.
As far as annihilation goes, perhaps I don't like it aesthetically because as a new testament variety of Christian there's not that Grace. I wouldn't be completely against annihilation but jeeze my soul shakes a little because I would never like that danger of no coming back but hey, This is the lords place, so I say my prayers. Good thread.
 
Blain

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Breeze7 said:
I read the article.

I am going to say everlasting torture and torment does not make sense and chosing to have that option with free will does not make sense.
Here again I have to say that a before life would really help clarify the heaven-hell concepts. Why?, I feel it would make more sense that as a child of god we selected a mission for the lord in this life in the world. I feel like missions might be pulling someone who was hell bound up toward heaven or waking someone up from a hellish existence.
Do I think there is punishment, hmm, I feel there are results. Choices lead to outcomes. There are scales, weights and measures and all that. Even Jesus said as you would measure it out so would it be measured out for you but come back doubled or three times. I know that's not his exact words but you can discern I'm sure.
Annihilation, this is tough to accept for me personally fully just because of my existence in the world of the relative. Without down no up without cold no hot you know. This again is why I feel an experiential realm that resides parallel or at the same time as a heaven or hell completes the greatest picture to my thinking. I'd like to hear or see others responses on this.
As far as annihilation goes, perhaps I don't like it aesthetically because as a new testament variety of Christian there's not that Grace. I wouldn't be completely against annihilation but jeeze my soul shakes a little because I would never like that danger of no coming back but hey, This is the lords place, so I say my prayers. Good thread.
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Your right it doesn't make sense not in the least but that's just it isn't it? the ways and thoughts of God make no sense to us because our minds cannot fully comprehend his ways or his reasons for things. yes eternal torment sounds cruel but the way I see just because I don't understand why God does certain things that doesn't mean I need to not trust him. Do I know exactly why a loving father would send ppl to hell? no not exactly but I know who he is and I know he does everything for a very good reason so regardless if eternal torment sounds cruel or regardless if I don't like it instead of rejecting what the bible clearly says I choose to trust God
 
dcontroversal

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There is no alternate theory of hell.....the Bible has said the following things about hell and then the lake of fire......embrace it as truth and accept it to be in agreement with God.

1. It is literal
2. ALL lost men will go there to await the Great White Throne Judgement of Revelation 20
3. It burns with literal fire
4. It is identified with the mists and darkness for ever
5. It is presently in the center of the earth
6. It is a place of torcher (tormented in these flames)
7. It was made for the angels which left their first estate
8. It will be cast with death into the lake of fire
9. ALL the lost in hell will be judged according to the law, found guilty and cast into the lake of fire
10. The smoke of their torment WILL ascend for ever and ever

The scriptures are clear, I for one am tired of those who try to make out hell/lake of fire as not fair and or the fact that a loving God would not send someone there......

1. It is false and misleading for JESUS to warn of an imaginary place that does not exist....Jesus spoke the truth ALL the time and was never MISLEADING
2. God TURNS men to DESTRUCTION (ETERNAL) and expects them to repent and trust his word and SON
3. Men send themselves there when they reject Christ and choose self and the ways of the devil
4. WHATSOEVER GOD DOES it is ETERNAL.....including the PUNISHMENT of those that reject HIM....

Get over it and embrace the truth..the bible is clear!
 
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Elin

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gomlbrobro said:
Some of you may have read my previous posts concerning the doctrine of hell projected in to the hearts of us Christians by professing preachers of God's Word. Sure they mean good intentions, though the interpretation of scripture could be looked at from a different angle that, in fact, would solve the contradictory identifier of God's Holy Image as a God of hate, rather than a God of Love, which is found so much throughout the Bible. There is equal and more rational evidence that falls in line with scripture that needs not to be interpreted as an everlasting torment in hell, rather an "Annihilation" of one's soul from ever existing. This is the main concept but actually read the article... Don't just blast your comments on here without reading my argument. You're here to help, right? You're not here to shun a young Christian's belief in order to resolve your own uncertainty, are you? I hope not... Anyway...

I believe in hell, but I refuse to believe in the common doctrine of hell that is believed by so many Christians today simply because they follow what their parents, friends, and preachers press on them. Look at it objectively and see if you reevaluate your opinion. If you still believe in your preexisting opinion, I completely respect that; however, it is good to have many opinions so that your Holy Spirit can then choose for you which one is best.

Read this and honestly put away existing beliefs - don't let your environment shape your beliefs!
It is honestly a great article and provides some solid evidence guided by God's Word.

Read all of it and comment your opinion - whether it be a rebuttal of the article or an agreement.

http://www.jeremyand...les/eternal.php

I would greatly appreciate it.
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You have to decide what is the authority for your belief, Scripture or your own view.

Scripture is clear:
God is a God of judgment--that's not hate, that's justice--I don't want to live in a place where there is no justice.

Hell is God's justice on rebellion against him, the Supreme Lawgiver.

The NT presents the human spirit as immortal, it does not die (is annihilated) to be re-created again.

The eternal torment will be separation from the God whom one rejects.
 
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dcontroversal

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Elin said:
You have to decide what is the authority for your belief, Scripture or your own view.

Scripture is clear:
God is a God of judgment--that's not hate, that's justice--I don't want to live in a place where there is no justice.

Hell is God's justice on rebellion against him, the Supreme Lawgiver.

The NT presents the human spirit as immortal, it does not die (is annihilated) to be re-created again.

The eternal torment will be separation from the God whom one rejects.
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I agree with this as well for sure.....
 
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JesusIsAll

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Why seek theories, when the word of God paints a very clear picture, in the first place? It's always good to start with scripture, but also end there, unless you enjoy watching men try to disassemble Bible truths.

Luke 16:19-31 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: and there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, and desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; and in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: for I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Matthew 13:40-42 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:41,46 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels... And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Mark 9:42-48 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Revelation 14:9-11 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
 
Bowhunter2394

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Gehenna fire is Real. Eternal torment real. The damned will be resurrected into their sinful flesh bone , placed in a fire that burns yet does not consume you. Hades after being emptied and death itself will be placed in Gehenna fire. The Word declares those who are in Gehenna fire ,the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. A person who is in Torment is conscious of their surroundings and their torment They will know their state. This is Forever. God is Just and Holy as well as Loving. Gehenna fire is the result of rebellion. Their is no alternate theory of Gehenna fire. It is what it is.Man can try to read in to it, diminish the reality but it stays the same. The soul that sins shall die. And that is the 2nd Death . Gehenna fire. The resurrection unto Damnation .
 
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