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the parents who actually care for their children dont need this, its the parents of children who dont that do.
Sometimes in families, a parent can play favourites and pick on one child as the golden child and dismiss the others. Life is hell for the one that cant do anything right. But that neglectful or bullying parent wont take their child to a psychiatrist, until after the damage has already been done.
One parent may be loving but another can be cruel. This sets up a child for trauma. As does divorce/abandonment or illness or death of a parent. Families are never perfect, and often parents are estranged from their own parents, so children dont get adquate care from their grandparents either.
Sometimes in families, a parent can play favourites and pick on one child as the golden child and dismiss the others. Life is hell for the one that cant do anything right. But that neglectful or bullying parent wont take their child to a psychiatrist, until after the damage has already been done.
One parent may be loving but another can be cruel. This sets up a child for trauma. As does divorce/abandonment or illness or death of a parent. Families are never perfect, and often parents are estranged from their own parents, so children dont get adquate care from their grandparents either.
I don't know that the OP was wanting to promote any of these philosophies. He could be wanting to discuss the kind of propaganda that is going on out there, or just this organization, or the claim that so many children are mentally ill.
I don't want to take my kids anywhere near a psychiatrist who believes in woke ideology. Maybe if one of my kids had some serious problem, I might consider it. But prayer would definitely be way before going to a psychiatrist. That's not someone you want to go to if you are normal, IMO.
I wouldn't want to go to a psychiatrist and get drugs to deal with emotional problems. They also use psychology. I am not totally against psychology, but I am skeptical of the usefulness of clinical psychology. What is their success rate with anything? Also, marriage counselors are not necessarily motivated to keep marriages together, at least not in the secular arena. A counselor may not share Christian values. Some of them will advise separation if it fits with their standards of what is better for the health of the whole person.
I heard a 'Christian counseling' program on the radio while driving around at night, running errands, catching part of the program before it went off the air on the occasions I heard it. It irked me that based on one party's testimony, the counselor on the air said something like, "If your husband is doing such and such that is verbally abusive" and recommended separated, or suggested other types of abuse I heard no evidence for and suggested separation. The 'verbal abuse' seemed fairly innocuous as I recall.
Maybe some Christian marriage are very helpful. But I would want to vet one if I needed one. I would want to make sure the counselor is on the same page when it comes to what a Christian marriage should look like-- submission and due benevolence are areas where a counselor might not agree with scripture, especially a secular one, but even a Christian one. And even with some pastors, you have to be careful.
I knew a fellow who had issues with drugs and porn who went to church. He was always afraid if he went to counseling the counselor might tell his wife to leave him. She could be a harsh at times and was extremely opinionated. She had cut him off from sex, maybe for a year or two. It seems to me that cutting a man off from sex could intensify his temptation to porn. But he went to see a pastor for counseling, and the pastor's reasoning was that looking with lust was adultery in the heart, so he needed to repent or she could divorce him. (I got his end of the story.) I wonder if the pastor was pro-death penalty if he believed it should be exercised for someone saying 'Thou fool' in anger. But be that as it may, the couple ended up divorcing.
I am definitely not defending his porn or drug use, but I could see how a counseling situation could have gone a very different way.
I am not saying psychology is worthless. I've read a number of academic papers in psychology journals for grad school and I have taken at least one psych seminar that I recall, and more if I count stats courses with Psych related course codes. There do seem to be some valid discoveries from the research. But as far as how that translates to actual clinical work, that is not my area, but I do not know how successful some of this stuff really is.
For marriage counseling, some secular psychologists will encourage fantasizing about someone who is not your spouse. Then there is this whole LGBT insanity. The fact that psychologists could get on board considering the literature on how messed up trans people are, the higher suicide rates for male homosexuals, and even the psychological body of literature that associates male homosexuality with men not bonding with their fathers, their getting on the LGBT train shows the lack of wisdom some of them have. Clinical psychologists have high suicide rates as well.
I don't want to take my kids anywhere near a psychiatrist who believes in woke ideology. Maybe if one of my kids had some serious problem, I might consider it. But prayer would definitely be way before going to a psychiatrist. That's not someone you want to go to if you are normal, IMO.
I wouldn't want to go to a psychiatrist and get drugs to deal with emotional problems. They also use psychology. I am not totally against psychology, but I am skeptical of the usefulness of clinical psychology. What is their success rate with anything? Also, marriage counselors are not necessarily motivated to keep marriages together, at least not in the secular arena. A counselor may not share Christian values. Some of them will advise separation if it fits with their standards of what is better for the health of the whole person.
I heard a 'Christian counseling' program on the radio while driving around at night, running errands, catching part of the program before it went off the air on the occasions I heard it. It irked me that based on one party's testimony, the counselor on the air said something like, "If your husband is doing such and such that is verbally abusive" and recommended separated, or suggested other types of abuse I heard no evidence for and suggested separation. The 'verbal abuse' seemed fairly innocuous as I recall.
Maybe some Christian marriage are very helpful. But I would want to vet one if I needed one. I would want to make sure the counselor is on the same page when it comes to what a Christian marriage should look like-- submission and due benevolence are areas where a counselor might not agree with scripture, especially a secular one, but even a Christian one. And even with some pastors, you have to be careful.
I knew a fellow who had issues with drugs and porn who went to church. He was always afraid if he went to counseling the counselor might tell his wife to leave him. She could be a harsh at times and was extremely opinionated. She had cut him off from sex, maybe for a year or two. It seems to me that cutting a man off from sex could intensify his temptation to porn. But he went to see a pastor for counseling, and the pastor's reasoning was that looking with lust was adultery in the heart, so he needed to repent or she could divorce him. (I got his end of the story.) I wonder if the pastor was pro-death penalty if he believed it should be exercised for someone saying 'Thou fool' in anger. But be that as it may, the couple ended up divorcing.
I am definitely not defending his porn or drug use, but I could see how a counseling situation could have gone a very different way.
I am not saying psychology is worthless. I've read a number of academic papers in psychology journals for grad school and I have taken at least one psych seminar that I recall, and more if I count stats courses with Psych related course codes. There do seem to be some valid discoveries from the research. But as far as how that translates to actual clinical work, that is not my area, but I do not know how successful some of this stuff really is.
For marriage counseling, some secular psychologists will encourage fantasizing about someone who is not your spouse. Then there is this whole LGBT insanity. The fact that psychologists could get on board considering the literature on how messed up trans people are, the higher suicide rates for male homosexuals, and even the psychological body of literature that associates male homosexuality with men not bonding with their fathers, their getting on the LGBT train shows the lack of wisdom some of them have. Clinical psychologists have high suicide rates as well.
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i dont know what this has got to do with any 'woke' ideology.
its just something some people are projecting out of fear, They probably dont even know many people or the divide between them and real life spiritual childhood poverty is so wide they will never understand the struggles children can face.
its just something some people are projecting out of fear, They probably dont even know many people or the divide between them and real life spiritual childhood poverty is so wide they will never understand the struggles children can face.
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Jesus said you can only come into the Kingdom as a little child. But many people try and prevent children from entering. Salvation is free you dont need to earn it or buy it as most adults seem to believe.
anyway, just reiterating that children actually do have minds of their own but many adults think they have the right to control their childrens minds.
anyway, just reiterating that children actually do have minds of their own but many adults think they have the right to control their childrens minds.
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In the olden times television was the "babysitter.' Now it's Social Media (SM). SM how appropriate those initials. No wonder the claim of this organization. Soccer mom's probably wouldn't think twice of taking the kiddo's here. Ever hear the phrase 'it takes a village'? The 'babysitter', which actually is available for many even in their golden years, left me with one interesting phrase. i.e. It's always something.
This post really touched me. I had a very difficult childhood, due to a verbally abusive, cruel father. I began receiving psychiatric help in third grade, which helped me cope, but I had serious behavioral problems until I had a nervous breakdown at age 20. I was hospitalized for a year and came out of treatment an entirely different person.
Shortly thereafter I moved to a different state and began an entirely different lifestyle, emotionally separated from my father. I met my wife, with whom I am still married after 53 years, and have two great children and two great grandchildren. I was an atheist for 34 years, primarily because I prayed often to God to rectify my family situation while I was growing up, to no avail. I was healed in the hospital by Jesus Christ, immediately became a Christian, and forgave my father.
I identify with Joseph. He was ostracized and suffered, but God's hand was on him throughout his life, as it was on mine. I owe everything to the kindness and mercy of God.
Shortly thereafter I moved to a different state and began an entirely different lifestyle, emotionally separated from my father. I met my wife, with whom I am still married after 53 years, and have two great children and two great grandchildren. I was an atheist for 34 years, primarily because I prayed often to God to rectify my family situation while I was growing up, to no avail. I was healed in the hospital by Jesus Christ, immediately became a Christian, and forgave my father.
I identify with Joseph. He was ostracized and suffered, but God's hand was on him throughout his life, as it was on mine. I owe everything to the kindness and mercy of God.
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Not so sure that the organization referenced here would have provided treatment that you received and of course that is an unknown. Good that you found the care you needed at that time. DSM is possibly designation of handbook for treatment and changes over the years. The organization referenced may be funded by sources which are pernicious to fundamentals of Christianity and that is the way things are these days. Madeleine Murray O'Hara is possibly a starter of anti Christian organizations. Not the only but like our coinage reads 'e pluribus unum' One of Many. May be so translated I believe.
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Her son William J. Murray became a Christian in 1980 and later a Baptist minister, publishing a memoir in 1982 about his spiritual journey. Murray O'Hair commented, "One could call this a postnatal abortion on the part of a mother, I guess; I repudiate him entirely and completely for now and all times ... he is beyond human forgiveness."[29][21]
Many social workers are christians but they are often unable to mention the gospel while tthey are working with children, or openly pray with their charges.
However there are christian counselors but the parents who are abusive will not seek them out especially.
When you go to hospital, nurses and doctors may or may not be christians, and the hospital may or may not have a chaplain, its a all a bit of a gamble esp if you are in public health care (not private...you got to have $£ for private health care. )
Hospitals, by nature, tend to be set up and run by Christians (at first) but they may lack mental health services. It is how we care for the poor and sick who, widows and orphans and fatherless who are unable to care for themselves that makes the difference.
Jesus cast out demons but many christians seem unable to do this and are reliant on drugs etc the same as unbelievers.
However there are christian counselors but the parents who are abusive will not seek them out especially.
When you go to hospital, nurses and doctors may or may not be christians, and the hospital may or may not have a chaplain, its a all a bit of a gamble esp if you are in public health care (not private...you got to have $£ for private health care. )
Hospitals, by nature, tend to be set up and run by Christians (at first) but they may lack mental health services. It is how we care for the poor and sick who, widows and orphans and fatherless who are unable to care for themselves that makes the difference.
Jesus cast out demons but many christians seem unable to do this and are reliant on drugs etc the same as unbelievers.
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In my limited experience, I can say that christian parental direct involvement with a good church trump's any governmental or psych counseling 100% of the time.
I don't know a thing about the organization mentioned. I have no knowledge about it. I will side with any good church and parents who home school. Intact families who homeschool their children rarely have psychological problems.
I don't know a thing about the organization mentioned. I have no knowledge about it. I will side with any good church and parents who home school. Intact families who homeschool their children rarely have psychological problems.
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I knew a social worker who was a believer, so I know there are exceptions to the norm. As for chaplains, the big hospitals hire interfaith chaplains and those who agree with hospices, so I can't comment on this organization persistence mentioned, just my local hospitals in the region. I turned down a cushy job as a chaplain locally for reasons of conscience and Biblical mandates.
