Are the Feasts for Christians or Jews?

[7seasrekeyed]

The problem we face here is that most will do it regardless........judge that is.

some call it discernment but yes, we should absolutely judge what is being presented

 

[Blik]

Yes.

The feasts were part of the training for a people to recognize their Lord and Saviour when He appeared.

Its very odd to pretend to still be in training, as if you were still waiting, when you really aren't.


Its very good to do a study on the feasts, though.



I think it would be really cool to be invited by practicing Jews to see how they celebrate/perform those feasts and hear their depiction of what they think the feast means. And then be able to tell them what you think it means.

Do you think you can back up giving God a reason for the feasts? From what I have studied of scripture it seems the feasts were in the same spirit we order Christmas to be celebrated: as a celebration of the Lord's ways. God ordered all His plans for our salvation to be celebrated except the birth of the earthly Savior. That is explained in the first verses of John when John points out that Jesus as God was from the very beginning, so what is to be celebrated is what Jesus did for our salvation. God asked us to celebrate that at Passover.

 

[Nehemiah6]

If this is what God meant when God trained Israel to live truthfully acknowledging Him, then we shouldn't bother with scripture at all. Christ taught that He and God spoke with the same voice, that even eliminates Christ for Christ is God. We would especially need to eliminate the book of Galatians, for in the third chapter, verse 29 it tells us 29: And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

You are seriously confused about the Old And New Covenants. So kindly go to 2 Corinthians chapter 3 and study it VERY CAREFULLY.

 

[Whispered]

Perhaps it would be wisdom that arrives when thos opposed to the observance of the Sabbath and/or the feast days that all pertain to & include Jesus first consider why they choose to go to church on Sunday. And also why, despite the fact Christian's here have repeatedly said they know observation of Sabbath & feast days do not Save , that any Christian ignoring what those one may judge have said are false in their judgements. As an act of dishonesty, a sin.

 

[Whispered]

If this is what God meant when God trained Israel to live truthfully acknowledging Him, then we shouldn't bother with scripture at all. Christ taught that He and God spoke with the same voice, that even eliminates Christ for Christ is God. We would especially need to eliminate the book of Galatians, for in the third chapter, verse 29 it tells us 29: And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Amen! We are taught by God that not everyone is meant to understand The Word. What other than the truth of this can explain how profound obstinance ignores scripture that ,posted well prior to your post, is and remains ignored as it supports your observations here.
Perhaps that is why it is ignored. And perhaps a lack of understanding what has been proven by scripture is a proof of what God said ; not all will know what is meant in The Word,and is breathed out for His own to know of and from Him.

 

[Blik]

You are seriously confused about the Old And New Covenants. So kindly go to 2 Corinthians chapter 3 and study it VERY CAREFULLY.

What the Lord's spirit tells me from this chapter is that God gave the law and what were His ways to people in stone, so if they follow what those laws said they followed the Lord. As we look over those laws now, we see the as scripture tells us, love is the basic ingredient of all of them. But if you don't follow them from love, then it really isn't what they are meant to do. Love is the spirit of the Lord. Along with the stone writing, there were fleshly orders to follow that lead to following the Lord, but again if they were the fleshly orders were followed only without the spiritual then it wasn't really following God. Then God gave the orders through the spirit, and that spirit is the true law. To listen to the spirit we accept the Holy Spirit within us that was given at Pentecost. and we accept Christ and His ways. We don't do it through earthly rites. Isn't that what the chapter says?

You think feasts are earthly rites. If they are rites and not praising God with a feast, or celebrating God in a way that could be empty so that we could say that just the food was doing the praising, then you are correct. But if that is so, then celebrating Christmas or Easter, or saying the Lord's prayer could also be counted as only rites.

 

[Whispered]

All you have to do is read Leviticus 23 to see that God did indeed give the feasts to Israel (the twelve tribes). Definitely NOT to Christians, since the Body of Christ is also the Temple of God.

In any event the question is moot. There is no temple in Jerusalem, neither is there a Levitical priesthood, neither can there be any proper sacrifices after the finished work of Christ on the cross. And without all those elements, you cannot observe the feasts as commanded by God.

So if you are trying to resurrect the feasts, you must believe that you are wiser than God.

The Book of Colossians chapter 2:
16 Therefore do not let anyone condemn you in matters of food and drink or of observing festivals, new moons, or sabbaths. 17 These are only a shadow of what is to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

Jesus is the substance behind all Gods feasts.
The converse is able to be posed to you. If God said the feasts are forever who are you to tell Christians who are grafted into the Tribe of Judah to disobey God?
The Epistle to the Galatians chapter 3:29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
The Book of the Acts of the Apostles chapter 2:39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

 

[Blik]

The Book of Colossians chapter 2:
16 Therefore do not let anyone condemn you in matters of food and drink or of observing festivals, new moons, or sabbaths. 17 These are only a shadow of what is to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

Jesus is the substance behind all Gods feasts.
The converse is able to be posed to you. If God said the feasts are forever who are you to tell Christians who are grafted into the Tribe of Judah to disobey God?
The Epistle to the Galatians chapter 3:29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
The Book of the Acts of the Apostles chapter 2:39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

Yes!! The substance of the feasts is Christ! Don't let anyone condemn you in this matter of celebrating Christ.

 

[Whispered]

Yes!! The substance of the feasts is Christ! Don't let anyone condemn you in this matter of celebrating Christ.

Amen. The ones doing the condemning are those who need our prayers. Why would anyone condemn a Christian for celebrating Jesus? Makes no sense.
We know that keeping the Ten Commandments/Ten Words of God does not save a lost soul. Nor does keeping the feasts. Said repeatedly ad nausea and yet ignored apparently. All for what purpose? Drama? Keeping controversy alive? And why would anyone wish to do that? When peace is so much healthier.
And no one has ever said those who believe the Ten Commandments/Ten Words of God, nor the feast days is mandatory. We're not trying to change anyone's mind so that they get the impression proponents of the Ten and the feasts are saying it is a , "must do". We're sharing our opinion. So why would anyone be upset that others do what they don't believe in in matters of Christ and His words. Again, makes no sense. Unless one is faithful to the altar of conflict and division in the body of Christ. In which case, God help them.

 

[garee]

All the feasts are a celebration of Jesus who the Jews deny. The first three Feasts were fulfilled through the crucifixion, burial and resurrection of Jesus, and the Jews deny Jesus.

Passover is a celebration of God passing over death for those who accept the sacrifice of the blood of Jesus. The first Passover was when blood from a sacrificial lamb was put on the doorposts of the people freed from slavery as a sign to God to protect the sons from death. It was an illustration to the people of how the blood of Jesus would free them from death. It is about Jesus.

The feast of unleavened bread is to celebrate the burial of Jesus but was raised. Leavened bread is God’s way of illustrating sin for us, Jesus was sinless and survived decay, as sin would decay us. Christ fulfilled this feast when he was buried and became our righteousness.

2 Corinthians 5:21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

The feast of 1st Fruits celebrates that Christ was the first fruit of God, as He was first to rise from the dead.

Pentecost celebrates the new covenant, as we are all given the Holy Spirit as a way that God gives us His law in spirit. The forerunner of this celebration called Shavuot was when God gave us his law on stones.

The fall feasts are prophetic of Christ’s return, (Trumpets), judgment (Atonement) and protection of the Lord in the last days (Tabernacles) It refers to the protection the Lord gave the Jews freed from slavery that is prophetic of the protection we will have through Christ in our last days.


I don’t think God gave the feasts for Jews, but in truth for Christians. Do you disagree?

Salvation is never about the corrupted flesh and blood from any nation.

God used the feast as showtime to demonstrate to the world a coming Savior. .

Jews in ceremonial laws were used to represent mankind as a whole. Like the animals and food ...clean, as a inward Jew born again of the Spirit of Christ the unseen. Outward Jew pertaining to what the eyes see the corruptible flesh and blood. not redeemed. . . as mere shadows they provide no redeeming substance .

 

[Blik]

Salvation is never about the corrupted flesh and blood from any nation.

God used the feast as showtime to demonstrate to the world a coming Savior. .

Jews in ceremonial laws were used to represent mankind as a whole. Like the animals and food ...clean, as a inward Jew born again of the Spirit of Christ the unseen. Outward Jew pertaining to what the eyes see the corruptible flesh and blood. not redeemed. . . as mere shadows they provide no redeeming substance .

You are missing God's point is asking us to celebrate His plan for giving us eternal life. It is not corruptible flesh, outward celebration, no redeeming substance. I can understand that cutting foreskin can be these things when the substance is becoming God's child. I can see not labeling foods from garbage eating animals can be these things when the substance is to keep our hearts and minds clean. But a praise of the Lord, a thank you to God, a celebration of His ways are not to be called substitutions or corruptible flesh.

We celebrate that Christ rose with Easter. even though God asked us to celebrate it with Passover, we celebrate the earthly birth of Christ even though God said Christ was at the beginning of our time and never asked us to celebrate His birth as a man. But refuse to celebrate as God asks.

 

[Whispered]

Another question concerning what remains of Gods laws after Jesus fulfilled the ceremonial part is, when Jesus comes in His millennial reign will Gods laws apply then?

 

[Grandpa]

Do you think you can back up giving God a reason for the feasts? From what I have studied of scripture it seems the feasts were in the same spirit we order Christmas to be celebrated: as a celebration of the Lord's ways. God ordered all His plans for our salvation to be celebrated except the birth of the earthly Savior. That is explained in the first verses of John when John points out that Jesus as God was from the very beginning, so what is to be celebrated is what Jesus did for our salvation. God asked us to celebrate that at Passover.

It would be weird to celebrate a feast that foretells of the coming of a messiah that has already been here 2000 yrs ago.

It would be like pretending He didn't come. And then pretending to hope that He will come in the same way He already did.


I would be ashamed to pretend that way.


It would make perfect sense for someone who worships the Law to want to celebrate the feasts as well. It is pretty consistent. You are already pretending that the Lord didn't fulfill most of what He said He came to fulfill so why not add feasts to the list?


Judaism is the schoolmaster that leads us to Christ. Once we have come to Christ all of Judaism is over for us. Like when you get rid of the training wheels on your bike. There is no point in putting them back on. They are a hindrance now. Even though they were some of the first things in the instruction manual.

 

[Whispered]

No one "worships the law" . I wonder how many here actually know what the Law of God encompasses. Or are they simply parroting objection because that seems to be the norm.
And can we agree here to not diminish peoples faith simply because one may be strongly opposed to how that person lives it. It isn't your way of doing things, that's OK. However, when one shows the way they live their faith is to insult others living theirs, that isn't an example of a superior projection or a better method of living to please God.