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I pray what I post will at least get a few here to think outside of the box when it comes to what your churches are teaching as truth. from what I am learning, most believe you get saved In your sins, then you gradually sin less and less, which to me makes no sense what so ever. I know many will argue we can never be sin free, and I agree, but if you are living in sin, porn, adultery, getting drunk, smoking, cheating, a homosexual, and the one that gets alot of lukewarm Christians upset, is worldliness. Most churches today resemble the world more that the true church, and most Christians love the world more than God. They dress, act, and do the same things as those in the world, will defend their right to indulge Thier flesh and claim moderation in the key, because they got saved at a Billy Graham crusade, said the sinners prayer, and now believe they are covered by Christ, the provision has been made, and their behavior doesn't matter toward their salvation, this I am afraid is a lie, obedience matters, Christ didn't obey for you, He commands His followers to deny self, pick up their cross, and follow Him.Luke 9-23.

Set Free!


Christ came to set you Free from the Bondage of sin, NOT make you Free ‘to sin’! He Died on the Cross so you can DIE with Him to your Old Self and Start over in Newness of Life. Freedom From sin is NOT Freedom to Sin! Who the Son Sets Free is FREE INDEED! He who Sins is of the Devil! Christ came to Destroy the Works of the devil. (John8:31-32)

Salvation from sin does not happen by Degrees or gradually over time. The Old Man Must be put to Death in the Process
of Repentance. ‘I am Crucified with Christ! It is no long I
who live, But Christ who Lives in me!’ How could you take something Corrupted and un-corrupt it by Degrees? You have to rid yourself of the corruption! God has Instructed man to do so if he is to be Redeemed by Grace! (Rom6:4-6, Gal5:24)

‘Lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness and RECEIVE with meekness the implanted Word that is ABLE to SAVE your soul! Become a Doer of the Word, not just a hearer, Deceiving yourself!’ (Js2:21-22)

You can’t ‘Get Saved’ and remain Double-minded, Divided in heart and serving two Masters! Would you expect to be forgiven of Adultery while you are STILL DOING it? WHY then Do you THINK God will Grant you Mercy while you remain addicted to booze, drugs, pornography, immorality? You are a SLAVE to WHO you Obey! Obey Sin, Slave to Sin, which equal Death. Obey God, His Slave, which leads to Righteousness. There’s Nothing Mysterious about Righteousness. It is Simply DOING the RIGHT Thing By Faith! The Principle behind this Faith is ACTION. (Js1:8, Rom6:15-18, 1Jh3:7-10, Js2:24)

DEEDS Prove your Repentance and Establish your Faith, Otherwise you are believing to no effect.
‘Getting Saved’ is a Radical Departure from your Old Life. ALL Things Become NEW! Not some Things, Not by Degree, ALL….Transformed when you encounter the Risen Christ in Reality. The Old Man cannot be reformed, cannot Please God in any fashion whatsoever! The Eyes of the Understanding Must be OPEN to Spiritual Truth BEFORE you can be led into More & Deeper Truth by the Spirit of Truth. (Acts20:21, 26:20, Rom3:31, 8:6-9, 2Cor5:17, Eph1:18)

The Corrupted Tree Cannot Produce Good Fruit. A polluted stream can only produce impure water. The Light in you CANNOT Co-exit with Darkness or you will be FULL of Darkness! The Lord Cannot Receive an Unclean Vessel and fill it with His Spirit. The House Must be Sweept, Scrubbed, Cleaned, with all vileness, ignorance and sin CAST out of Doors, BEFORE the Spirit can come in! THIS is What Salvation is in the Bible. FREEDOM From Sin, NOT Freedom to sin! Conversion to Christ will Produce a NEW TREE with PURE Fruit!

The Axe of Repentance was Laid to the ROOT of sin, not merely its branches. Growth Cannot begin until the incorruptible Seed is Planted and LIFE springs forth! (Matt3:10, 6:27-23, 7:15-20, 13:43-45, 2Cor6:16-18, 1Pet1:18-19)

But Almost everyone today in the so-called Christian World thinks that God Saves you in your sins and then cleans you up later as you allow Him. Therefore the Old Man of Sin is in Control! The entire System is setup to accommodate this Man of Sin and to try to Reform him. The Program is designed to Please, Comfort and Cuddle him. All the time assuring him that he is SAVED and Forgiven in Jesus, Pronounced Righteous by Faith, if he merely TRUSTS that everything has been done for him in advance to Secure the outcome of his Salvation.

The Foregone Conclusion of every Bible Passage on the Subject of Salvation by Faith, is the Sin will NEVER Stop! God can Grant Grace enough to Call you, Draw you to Himself, Compel you to Come, Even Decide for you, BUT NOT enough to eradicate the Sin in your heart! According to this Doctrine Professed Christians are being taught today (and basing their eternal life on it!) the Root of Sin CANNOT be Removed in this Life! You will sin Everyday for the remainder of your life, in Thought, Word and Deed, and Still go to Heaven when you die Because you BELIEVE in Jesus!

WHO has it Correct? You Like what the Preachers are saying because it Pleases your flesh, makes no Demands, sets no Conditions. You’re Saved because you Trust! You don’t have to DO Anything! Could anyone make a Better deal than that? But you DON’T Like what Jesus is Saying because it makes TOO many Demands and Sets to Harsh of Conditions! (Lk13:24) The Flesh has to be Crucified! (the last thing the flesh wants to do is Die!) Why do you think Professed Christians are so Selfish, Self-Centered and greedy? Because they LOVE God and are KEEPING His Commandments!? Don’t Kid yourself! (John15:14)

They are ACTING OUT Exactly what they Are! Self-Centered, Selfish SINNERS! In most cases, Following the Example of their Pastors who are Teaching them these things. These professed Christians have no Idea what it means to Follow Jesus, Deny Self, Take up their Cross or Count the Cost. They think Contending for the faith is Cooking Dinner at the church, having a Picnic or baking cookies to help pay the electric bill! They are CLUELESS Because they are LOST. (Lk9:23, 14:28)

How much Scorn and Contempt will have to be Heaped upon the Precious Name of Jesus before you will admit this MESS has NOTHING to do with being a Christian and the Bible is Not Subject to you personal opinions? If you want to Think that you’re going to heaven when you die because you Believe in something, that’s your choice. BUT WHY must you Insist on Dragging Jesus into the mire with you!!? Making Him a Minister of your sin, an Excuse for your inability to do anything Right? WHY Do you Call on His Name and ask for Health, Wealth and prosperity and then SPIT in His Face when He Demands you OBEY HIM? Do you Really Think He is going to Live in the Pig Pen with You?

WHERE DID Jesus Say you Could Come to Him IN YOUR SINS? If you are basing your eternal life on this, you had BETTER be able to SHOW Hard Evidence in the BIBLE that HE Preached the Gospel in this Manner and Granted Mercy to people while they were still sinning. Don’t go running off to your favorite preachers for answers, for ONCE in your Life follow the Master’s Instructions and DIG DEEP!!! Pretend you have Lost a Gold Coin Worth a Million Dollars and you would turn over heaven and earth to find it! (Lk6:48, Matt13:44-46)

ONLY Then will there be the Slightest Possibility you could come out of your Strong Delusion and Find that Treasure of Great Price and then PRESS your Way through that Narrow Gate to Eternal Life! (Matt7:13-14)




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www.Standingthegap.org

Ahhh...and there is the point of it all. Does this not all come back to you, your take, your coining of "System" on this blog you reference. Or, if it is not your blog, your "buying into" some radical John the Baptist want-to-be voice? I am sorry for the obvious sardonic tone I am taking, but your entire post and the blog you've linked absolutely reeks of human pride. Of course, you obviously won't see it. I of course am grateful that I do, as there was only one voice calling in the desert, and this clearly is not you.

To begin, the false teachers page on that site is absolutely laughable. Laughable. You have Joel Olsteen listed with the likes of John Piper and John MacArthur. Are you..misguided? Again, you adamantly have a voice telling you that you are not.

There is so much derision. Dear person, all have fallen short. This includes you, it includes me. We run with "our truth" gripped tight to our chests yelling, "I have it!" We run to our own deserved doom. None of us have the truth, not the legal thumper nor the grace umbrella-izer. We approach the Lord knowing that we will fall under His judgement, regardless.

I am constantly thrown into thoughts of fear and trembling whenever I type anything. My words...will they be brought back upon me someday? I am sure they will. Are you and this blog owner fully prepared to carry and hold the weighty accusations you've made up to the Lord Jesus Christ? Hebrews 10:31...I truly fear for me...do you think you are scott free?

In the false teacher list you cite these. I agree with a few, but man this is negligible. The peace of God be with you.

John Piper Spurgeon

John MacArthur DL Moody

Ed Young John Calvin Calvin 2
John Ankerberg Martin Luther
Joel Osteen Dr Barnhouse
Craig Laurie
Erwin Lutzer
Mark Driscoll
Max Lucado
Josh McDowell
Mike Fabarez
RC Sproul
Pat Robertson
Charles Swindoll
Rick Warren More on Warren
Richard Warmack
Paul Washer
Ray Comfort
Charles Stanley
Billy Graham
 

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billy graham?? are you serious?? and driscoll is a great preacher.
 
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The Lord Cannot Receive an Unclean Vessel and fill it with His Spirit. The House Must be Sweept, Scrubbed, Cleaned, with all vileness, ignorance and sin CAST out of Doors, BEFORE the Spirit can come in! THIS is What Salvation is in the Bible.
So you believe we must become sinless before we can be saved? If that were true, then nobody is saved. Not even you.
 
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billy graham?? are you serious?? and driscoll is a great preacher.
I don't mind Driscoll on occasion, though he can be a bit gruff at times. Of course, he is a sinner so his humanness shows through like the rest of us.

I have spent the last fourteen years soaking up the teaching of John MacArthur. He is a teacher who preaches/teaches obedience to the Word, full stop. Sure he has his own theological stance, but he is a mere man as well. But, you cannot listen to his teaching and think that he compromises with the world.

John Piper's Desiring God is inspiring, confronting, and...there is no denying his passion for serving the Lord. Is he misguided? He will admit to all that at times he is, as he is a human sinner. John Piper prays before every message, "Lord, help me be faithful to your Word." I've also heard him pray, "If I am saying something that is in error, or not in line with your Word, forgive me and let these people know."

Again, these are mere sinful men, but men I believe God has blessed, as evident in their ministries serving Him. Both JMac and Piper are sons of teaching pastors. Both are a lineage of living-service to God. I would never in my heart draw any negative claim about these men, as I would certainly be stepping on a pedestal my sinful behind has no right to be perched on.

So, to you who would draw up such claims. Step back and think on this. With all your assurance, your certainty, have you ever entertained the notion that upon meeting the Lord Jesus Christ you say, "Lord, I served you. I soldiered your truth and lived for you. I called out false teachers and posted such things for the world to see."

And what if the Lord responds. "That was blind pride. Those men were mine, soldiering my cause, my word to thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands. Yet, they were sinners as you. Did you know dear blogger, that your false claim on them actually became a false claim on me?"

I can never speak for God so my hypothetical of Jesus speaking is purely for the sake of humble introspection. But, in our conscience we should always be mindful of how we look, whether in action, thought, or deed to our God. We should be a humble leaf blown but for a sliver of time, but blown for Him and heading toward Him.

I pray this post is taken at face value, one sinner to another, but fully aware of sin as it dwells inside man, taking on many many faces.
 
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Ahhh...and there is the point of it all. Does this not all come back to you, your take, your coining of "System" on this blog you reference. Or, if it is not your blog, your "buying into" some radical John the Baptist want-to-be voice? I am sorry for the obvious sardonic tone I am taking, but your entire post and the blog you've linked absolutely reeks of human pride. Of course, you obviously won't see it. I of course am grateful that I do, as there was only one voice calling in the desert, and this clearly is not you.

To begin, the false teachers page on that site is absolutely laughable. Laughable. You have Joel Olsteen listed with the likes of John Piper and John MacArthur. Are you..misguided? Again, you adamantly have a voice telling you that you are not.

There is so much derision. Dear person, all have fallen short. This includes you, it includes me. We run with "our truth" gripped tight to our chests yelling, "I have it!" We run to our own deserved doom. None of us have the truth, not the legal thumper nor the grace umbrella-izer. We approach the Lord knowing that we will fall under His judgement, regardless.

I am constantly thrown into thoughts of fear and trembling whenever I type anything. My words...will they be brought back upon me someday? I am sure they will. Are you and this blog owner fully prepared to carry and hold the weighty accusations you've made up to the Lord Jesus Christ? Hebrews 10:31...I truly fear for me...do you think you are scott free?

In the false teacher list you cite these. I agree with a few, but man this is negligible. The peace of God be with you.

John Piper Spurgeon

John MacArthur DL Moody

Ed Young John Calvin Calvin 2
John Ankerberg Martin Luther
Joel Osteen Dr Barnhouse
Craig Laurie
Erwin Lutzer
Mark Driscoll
Max Lucado
Josh McDowell
Mike Fabarez
RC Sproul
Pat Robertson
Charles Swindoll
Rick Warren More on Warren
Richard Warmack
Paul Washer
Ray Comfort
Charles Stanley
Billy Graham
Forgot Ted Haggard
 
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Ahhh...and there is the point of it all. Does this not all come back to you, your take, your coining of "System" on this blog you reference. Or, if it is not your blog, your "buying into" some radical John the Baptist want-to-be voice? I am sorry for the obvious sardonic tone I am taking, but your entire post and the blog you've linked absolutely reeks of human pride. Of course, you obviously won't see it. I of course am grateful that I do, as there was only one voice calling in the desert, and this clearly is not you.

To begin, the false teachers page on that site is absolutely laughable. Laughable. You have Joel Olsteen listed with the likes of John Piper and John MacArthur. Are you..misguided? Again, you adamantly have a voice telling you that you are not.

There is so much derision. Dear person, all have fallen short. This includes you, it includes me. We run with "our truth" gripped tight to our chests yelling, "I have it!" We run to our own deserved doom. None of us have the truth, not the legal thumper nor the grace umbrella-izer. We approach the Lord knowing that we will fall under His judgement, regardless.

I am constantly thrown into thoughts of fear and trembling whenever I type anything. My words...will they be brought back upon me someday? I am sure they will. Are you and this blog owner fully prepared to carry and hold the weighty accusations you've made up to the Lord Jesus Christ? Hebrews 10:31...I truly fear for me...do you think you are scott free?

In the false teacher list you cite these. I agree with a few, but man this is negligible. The peace of God be with you.

John Piper Spurgeon

John MacArthur DL Moody
Ed Young John Calvin Calvin 2
John Ankerberg Martin Luther
Joel Osteen Dr Barnhouse
Craig Laurie
Erwin Lutzer
Mark Driscoll
Max Lucado
Josh McDowell
Mike Fabarez
RC Sproul
Pat Robertson
Charles Swindoll
Rick Warren More on Warren
Richard Warmack
Paul Washer
Ray Comfort
Charles Stanley
Billy Graham
I have nothing more I can say to you, but,
2Th 2:10 and with all deceit of unrighteousness in those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, so that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie,
2Th 2:12 so that all those who do not believe the truth, but delight in unrighteousness, might be condemned.

These men are false teachers, leading millions into perdition, they teach OSAS, imputed righteousness, and many aspects of Calvinism, all false teachings, we are commanded to defend and contend for the faith, and keep the word pure, these men from Joel osteen, to Piper are greatly decieved, and so are you if you think they are teaching the truth, wake up, what these men teach is not in the bible I read, they need to be stopped, they are leading many into perdition, if you feel I am being judgemental in any way or unmerciful, then what is going to happen to you all who bought into the lie, and loved not the truth! why do you admonish them? And cast dispersions on us few on the narrow road, taking a stand against the false church system, I dont know about you, but I dont want to stand before God,and diddnt do anything to defend and contend for the truth, all those men listed are wolves, merchandising the gospel, and need thier mouthes shut! Because you do not love the truth, and would rather follow men over God.
Jud 1:3 Having made all haste to write to you about the common salvation, beloved, I had need to write to you to exhort you to contend earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints.
Jud 1:4 For certain men crept in secretly, those having been of old previously written into this condemnation, ungodly ones perverting the grace of our God for unbridled lust, and denying the only Master, God, even our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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So you believe we must become sinless before we can be saved? If that were true, then nobody is saved. Not even you.

No I am not perfect, but have been cleansed by the blood of Christ through repentance and faith proven by deeds, I have no plank in my eye, my obedience has been fulfilled,2 cor 10-6 and I walk a holy life unto God, thus I have every right to voice what the Lord is teaching me about the narrow road. Luke 13-24. I nailed all my vile sins to the cross with Christ in repentance, which most here do not understand,Gal2-20/Gal 5-24 I urge all of you to repent(2 Cor 7-10-11, flee Babylon,(false system) (false teachers)love the truth, forsake the world and its vain attractions.

Those who stand against the popular things of the world will be hated!


If you believe a vile sinner such as a child molester gets saved while still molesting children, then I pray you would wake up and see what you believe as truth.

What is biblical perfection!
Mat 5:48 Therefore be perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect.
Now when you come up against the saved IN sin message being preached and taught throughout Christendom, many will scream you are teaching sinless perfection, or they will ask with pride, do you sin? I believe these people are trying to produce a straw man defense, to a very simple question.
Jesus came to set an example for us to follow, He made it crystal clear we are to deny self, pick up our cross daily, and follow Him on the narrow road. Luke 9-23.
What kind of perfection does Jesus demand of His true followers? First off He calls each one of us to repent, Luke 13:3 and 5, Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, Repent! For the kingdom of Heaven is at hand. , plus many more verses the profits and disciples demanded and made clear to the sinning world to do, before mercy would be granted, Jesus commands us to repent towards God, and then have an obedient faith in Him. Act 20:21 testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. Thus purifying the heart through faith, clearing away all guile, hate, and evil, from our lives, then seeking His mercy and strength, cleansed and purged ready to receive the Holy Spirit, quickened or made alive. Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Does this mean sinless perfection, or that the converted heart will never sin again? No, but it does mean, this true convert will have a new heart, be a total new creation, 2Co 5:17 So that if any one is in Christ, that one is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. They will thus have a perfect heart of purity, obedience, and submission to the Holy Spirit dwelling within them, walking each day in humility, circumspect of all temptations and distractions that will cause them to fall into willful sin and disobedience.
Are all our faults, failure, mistakes, and poor judgment’s considered sins that lead to death? In the church system they will tell you, all sin leads to death, all have sinned, and all sin from murder, to worry is the same to God, all is forgiven, forgotten, and cast away forever, because we cannot live up to God's high standards, and be sin free.
I believe the scriptures are clear on the sins that lead to death, 1Co 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor abusers, nor homosexuals,
1Co 6:10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are clearly revealed, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lustfulness,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, fightings, jealousies, angers, rivalries, divisions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 envyings, murders, drunkennesses, revelings, and things like these; of which I tell you before, as I also said before, that they who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
These are clearly sins worthy of death if not repented of and crucified with Christ. Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, and I live; yet no longer I, but Christ lives in me. And that life I now live in the flesh, I live by faith toward the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself on my behalf.
Now I believe there is a great difference between faults, mistakes, poor judgments, over willful sins of the flesh listed above, which are the lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life, which must be put to death in repentance, Isa 1:16 Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean; put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes; cease to do evil;
Isa 1:17 learn to do good; seek judgment, reprove the oppressor. Judge the orphan, plead for the widow.

We all make mistakes, have many faults, and make poor judgments at times, but they can become sin IF we allow them to temp us into any guile, lust, hate, envy, lies, cheating, etc...so even though we make these mistakes, and have worries and doubts at times, it’s very important that these faults be contained, dealt with, and not allowed to gain a stronghold in one’s life, that can lead to willful sins that lead to spiritual death, as outlined above.
When I think of all the vile sins I was committing before and against God, before and after I thought I was saved, it makes me want to vomit, hide my head in shame and remorse, hating every evil deed I did against my Lord and God, these sins have been put to death in repentance, while I struggle with many faults, and mistakes, I can clearly now see what Jesus meant when he said "be perfect!"
He meant walking a walk of heart purity, devotion, and love for Him above all else, abstaining from all forms of evil, keeping your heart pure through faith, staying on the narrow road, defending and contending for the faith, loving your neighbor as yourself, fleeing from all sexual immorality, seeking Him with all your heart and soul, and remaining unspotted from the world and all its vain attractions.
It all boils down to the heart, has it been purified through faith? Made new and afresh through repentance proven by deeds? Acts 3-19. And are you remaining separated from the world and its lusts and attractions? 1Jn 2:15 Do not love the world, nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him,
1Jn 2:16 because all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Perfection is not ever making mistakes, errors, faults or poor judgments; or having every I dotted, and T crossed! It’s walking and living in a right heart relationship with God, with purity and love, being diligent and aware of any temptation or distractions that will lead to willful sin and disobedience.
As you walk in the spirit, he will lead you into all godliness, holiness and purity, to do and say the right thing in all situations, but this comes with a high price, of devotion, and a love of the truth, working in your life to keep you from becoming double minded and divided between the vain attractions of this world, which are passing away, and a total heart commitment to Jesus, who keeps you as long as you walk in the light! 1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin.(unrighteousness)
There are several scriptures that will contradict this sinless perfection notion, and clearly show not all sin is the same in God’s eyes, this is very important to understand, to show that the perfection God is looking for, as mentioned above comes from the heart, through purity and sincerely, and righteousness. Joh 19:11 Jesus answered, You could have no authority against Me unless it were given to you from above. Therefore he who delivered Me to you has the greater sin. Mar 3:29 But he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never shall have forgiveness, but is liable to eternal condemnation. Luk 12:47 And that servant who knew his lord's will and did not prepare, nor did according to His will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Luk 12:48 But he not knowing, and doing things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For to whomever much is given, of him much shall be1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not to death.
1Jn 5:18 We know that everyone who has been born of God does not continue to sin, but the one born of God guards himself, and the evil one does not touch him.
1Jn 5:19 We know that we are of God, and all the world lies in evil .And to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
Luk 12:49 I have come to send fire on the earth.
So not all sin is the same in the eyes; of God, and you cannot put ALL sin into the same category, as most in the system do, trying to prove we are teaching sinless perfection, when in reality we are teaching, sincerity, purity, and obedience from a heart made pure through repentance and faith, walking in perfect obedience to the Son, who has set us free from the bondages of sin and corruption!
Now if you think committing adultery, or watching porn occasionally is ok, since all sins lead to death, and all sins are pre forgiven, then you have fallen off the narrow path, and need to understand, not all sin leads to death, but if any thought, word or deed leads to sins of the flesh as listed above, which requires a willful and premeditated effort to do, then you must repent, 2 Corinthians 7-10-11, doing your first works, putting to death the old man, once and for all, totally dependent on the strength and power of Christ to keep you on the narrow path, ready to shed blood if needed to resist any temptation that will lead you into the lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life! Heb 12:4 You have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
Tommy 2 -2-12
 
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I read over your website. Unless my eyes deceive me (or I deceive my eyes), it appears that you are promoting Pelagianism.
 
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So, to you who would draw up such claims. Step back and think on this. With all your assurance, your certainty, have you ever entertained the notion that upon meeting the Lord Jesus Christ you say, "Lord, I served you. I soldiered your truth and lived for you. I called out false teachers and posted such things for the world to see."

And what if the Lord respond, "That was blind pride. Those men were mine, soldiering my cause, my word to thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands. Yet, they were sinners, as you are. Did you know dear blogger, that your false claim on them actually became a false claim on me?"
This was posed to you Tommy4Christ. We should all tread lightly as it is our Lord who cries out, "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do." Luke 23:34 T4Christ, could you be misguided by your own sin? Possibly a critical spirit? Or, as you say, millions have been led astray, but YOU are not. Amazing understanding of grace you have there. Please...respond, or don't.

Which takes us to this crucial passage in Luke 23:40-43 addressing your original claim -- "But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.” 42 Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.” 43 And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

So, are you positing that this criminal on his cross was not saved in his sin at that moment? And even at that moment, do you believe that he doesn't represent all mankind in either the acceptance or denial of the Son of God? I mean...let's understand here, that is THE MOMENT.
 

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The poster is trying to say, that people are teaching falsehood, and many think a prayer said is going to cover their sins.

When you accept salvation, you change from within, you are guided by the Holy spirit.
So sin becomes easier to resist.

The strength of the Holy spirit is now your strength, and you will feel amazed by it's power.

You do not need any pastor or church to be saved... no man decides who is saved, if you truly accept salvation then Yeshua becomes your Saviour, Almighty Yahweh gave him the task to gather the sheep, he is the good Shepherd for our Heavenly Father Yahweh.

We are so blessed by Yahweh our God's grace...

I see bad teaching of the Bible, and hope all will read it for themselves, pray for understanding and strength to the Mighty Yahweh.

Yeshua is waiting for you to call on him, he is already at the door, you open it and invite him inside.

Most don't realise that accepting Salvation is not to enjoy life in the flesh luxuriously...
It is the opposite, you accept Salvation from worldly ways and desires... You accept it to be born again of a good seed, that will counter attack your corrupted seed.

You love Yahweh with all your heart and soul, you love Yeshua with all your heart and soul.

If you enjoy life and all the evil ways then you are not ready to accept salvation.
The truth is that most don't realise that we are on a timeline of events that is leading to the harvest.
If you want to be be good crop then you can not half hearted accept salvation and expect Yahweh to forgive you on your terms, it is his way or nothing, and that his by Yeshua our Saviour son of Yahweh.

Our Lord Yeshua is our only way to be forgiven and redeemed.

We must study the Bible and learn from it, what pleases and what angers our Heavenly Yahweh.


Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel: 9Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound. 10Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

11It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:

12If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

13If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
 
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The pain we experience in life results from sin we commit. We are free when we stop sinning.