At what point in our salvation is the blood of Christ applied?
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The Bible makes it clear in many passages of scripture that man is saved through belief/faith - "apart from any precursors, and apart from a requirement to keep the Mosaic Law." (John 1:12; 3:15,16,18,36; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26; Acts 10:43; 13:39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1-2; 10:4; 1 Corinthians 1:21; Galatians 2:16; 3:6-14, 26; Ephesians 2:8,9; Philippians 3:9; 2 Timothy 3:15; Hebrews 10:39; 1 John 5:13 etc..).
The Bible also makes it clear in many passages of scripture that saving faith in Christ is a faith that has commensurate works that demonstrate that one's faith in Christ is not just a profession, but is in deed and in truth.
You seem to be having trouble believing both of these facts, which no doubt you do, but also admitting that works are required to remain saved. However, if one begins with faith in Christ that produces commensurate works, and one drifts into a professional faith that lacks commensurate works, one has ceased to have the saving faith that genuinely trust in Jesus, and has fallen away into a dead faith that trusts instead in a set of doctrinal propositions.
The Bible also makes it clear in many passages of scripture that saving faith in Christ is a faith that has commensurate works that demonstrate that one's faith in Christ is not just a profession, but is in deed and in truth.
You seem to be having trouble believing both of these facts, which no doubt you do, but also admitting that works are required to remain saved. However, if one begins with faith in Christ that produces commensurate works, and one drifts into a professional faith that lacks commensurate works, one has ceased to have the saving faith that genuinely trust in Jesus, and has fallen away into a dead faith that trusts instead in a set of doctrinal propositions.
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Anywhere the Holy Spirit is active and believe me, you know when the Holy Spirit is resident
in the members of that church.
There is a vast difference between worship in the spirit and worship in the flesh.
There is a distinct difference in prayer in the spirit and prayer in the flesh.
You need to experience the different churches across the spectrum.
I don't have a church membership.
I scan independent churches if I move to a new area.
I move a lot.
in the members of that church.
There is a vast difference between worship in the spirit and worship in the flesh.
There is a distinct difference in prayer in the spirit and prayer in the flesh.
You need to experience the different churches across the spectrum.
I don't have a church membership.
I scan independent churches if I move to a new area.
I move a lot.
Man is saved through belief/faith "apart from works in general." (Romans 3:24-28; 4:2-6; 11:6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9) When it comes to the moral aspect pf the Mosaic Law, you cannot dissect good works from the Law. (Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18; Matthew 22:37-40; James 2:15-16)) I have no trouble believing both of these facts. Professional faith? 
As I already stated in post #231, man is saved through faith and not by works (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet genuine faith is (evidenced) by works. (James 2:14-24)
*Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works.* (Romans 3:24-28) ✝️
It is through faith "in Jesus Christ alone" (and not based on the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 4:5-6; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine. (James 2:14-24) *Perfect Harmony*
As I already stated in post #231, man is saved through faith and not by works (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet genuine faith is (evidenced) by works. (James 2:14-24)
*Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works.* (Romans 3:24-28) ✝️
It is through faith "in Jesus Christ alone" (and not based on the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 4:5-6; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine. (James 2:14-24) *Perfect Harmony*
I have experienced different churches across the spectrum and the mission of the church I attend now is to see lives changed by Jesus and their vision is to be living proof of a loving God to a watching world. The Pastor of my church is passionate about not only meeting this mission and vision but also seeing Christians have life more abundantly. The name of my church is Abundant Life. Their outreach ministry is also incredible. That is why I attend that church. I have visited enough churches in the past that simply go through the motions of worshipping and praying in the flesh but lack in vision, mission and outreach ministry.
I don't believe that salvation is obtained by works--salvation by works or maintained by works--salvation by works at the back door. I call the latter "type 2 works salvation."
From beginning "have been saved through faith" (Ephesians 2:8) to end "receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls" (1 Peter 1:9) salvation is by grace through faith and is NOT BY WORKS.
From beginning "have been saved through faith" (Ephesians 2:8) to end "receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls" (1 Peter 1:9) salvation is by grace through faith and is NOT BY WORKS.
Wow, I "actually" thought my proofreading skills were getting a little better, and then read "the actually act" in the very first sentence.
I just wanted to formally apologize to the whole community for this kind of ignorant violation. There's just no excuse. So please excuse me while I go hang my head in shame, in the corner, facing the corner. Feel free to ridicule me and throw bad produce at me, I deserve it..........
I just wanted to formally apologize to the whole community for this kind of ignorant violation. There's just no excuse. So please excuse me while I go hang my head in shame, in the corner, facing the corner. Feel free to ridicule me and throw bad produce at me, I deserve it.
.........It's a pity that you so easily excise eleven words from the first chapter of 1 Peter to support a claim that the entire first chapter of Peter does not make.
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear/reverence:
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Nowhere in the chapter does it say we are guaranteed a glorified physical body, if we at some past time put our trust in Christ as Saviour and Lord, whether we revert to a disobedient unclean lifestyle or not.
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear/reverence:
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Nowhere in the chapter does it say we are guaranteed a glorified physical body, if we at some past time put our trust in Christ as Saviour and Lord, whether we revert to a disobedient unclean lifestyle or not.
Man is saved through belief/faith "apart from works in general." (Romans 3:24-28; 4:2-6; 11:6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9) When it comes to the moral aspect pf the Mosaic Law, you cannot dissect good works from the Law. (Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18; Matthew 22:37-40; James 2:15-16)) I have no trouble believing both of these facts. Professional faith?
As I already stated in post #231, man is saved through faith and not by works (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet genuine faith is (evidenced) by works. (James 2:14-24)
*Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works.* (Romans 3:24-28) ✝️
It is through faith "in Jesus Christ alone" (and not based on the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 4:5-6; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine. (James 2:14-24) *Perfect Harmony*
As I already stated in post #231, man is saved through faith and not by works (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet genuine faith is (evidenced) by works. (James 2:14-24)
*Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works.* (Romans 3:24-28) ✝️
It is through faith "in Jesus Christ alone" (and not based on the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 4:5-6; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine. (James 2:14-24) *Perfect Harmony*