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Scotth1960

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#1
Friends,

"BATTLE CASUALTY
"John had only been a Christian for three months when he head a well-known speak in his church talk about the false beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses. Inspired by the speaker's story of deliverance from fifteen years as a Jehovah's Witness, John began sharing the gospel with Jehovah's Witnesses. Pretty soon he was spending every evening witnessing and weekends sharing his message in local churches. he was so busy he didn't have much time to study, and theological and doctrinal issues were too deep for him to grasp quickly. So he picked up what he felt were the quickest and easiest ways to show Jehovah's Witnesses that they were wrong. He figured that once he proved to them that the Watchtower had lied to them, they would accept the gospel easily. It seemed an easy, practical solution which enabled him to promote the gospel without really having to acquire an in-depth understanding of basic biblical doctrine.
"The John started discussions with two leading Jehovah's Witnesses. He kept pressing home to them that the Watchtower organization was a false prophet. They kept pressi9ng home to him that it was irrational to believe in the Trinity and that he couldn't answer their scriptural arguments against the deity of Christ. Every time he brought up organizational flaws, they brought up arguments against the deity of Christ. At first John didn't pay much attention to what they said. After all, he reasoned, other Christians seemed to understand and be able to defend the doctrine of the Trinity, and he thouht that if he could just discredit the Watchtower, they would drop this stuff about Jesus being created.
"But that did not happen. The Jehovah's Witnesses finally got to him by convincing him that even if the Watchtower was flawed, at least they worshiped only one God and did not commit blasphemy by making Jesus God when he was only an angel. Eventually John was baptized a Jehovah's Witness and began going door to door sharing the "good news of the kingdom" from The Watchtower and Awake! magazines.
"His "quick answers" weren't enough to protect him from the seduction of heresy. ...."
"WARFARE IS DANGEROUS
"The people in these stories are battle casualties of witch hunting. Each of them had a heart for doing God's will, and each of them was sabotaged by witch hunting. The Bible tells us to defend orthodoxy (Jude 3), to check our faith (1 Thess. 5:21-22) and to fight Satan and his influence (Eph. 6:10-17). But we must be sure that we are mature, knowledgeable, and led by the Spirit to discern properly.
"Some discerners, lacking a comprehensive and lucid understanding of essential biblical doctrine. tend to condemn anything they are not familiar with, assuming that it is better to condemn that risk letting even one heretical belief slip in. Other discerners take the same lack and do not condemn anything, assuming that "unity" is necessary at all costs, even if the one they "feel" is a believer actually espouses heretical doctrine.
"Christians should not be satisfied with either of these forms of slipshod discernment. Those who wrongly attack true believers, even unwittingly, imitate the godless who "with his mouth destroys his neighbor" (Prov. 11:9). Those who compromise essential Christian belief in the name of unity, even though they are sincere, often embrace evil (1 Thess. 5:22)."
(pages 20-21; 23: Passantino, Bob, & Passantino, Gretchen. (1990). Witch Hunt. Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.).

Friends!
Read this book for more on apologetics. It is an interesting book, and rather well put-together. It is written at a lay level, so there may be some books that are more excellent than this one, but it is basically a sound book. That is because it is a general reference book, and doesn't discuss the specific controversies that divide believers from each other. It doesn't take a firm stand on all important issues, so that is a caveat on this book. It's just an introductory book on Christian apologetics. It doesn't introduce the key orthodox doctrines of the Christian faith. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington


 
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dmdave17

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#3
I say witness to the non-believers and let the expert apologists take care of converting the Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, etc.. Although that may be a worthy calling, there are plenty of lost souls out there who have never heard any message about the salvation which comes through the blood of Christ. And the joy of seeing a glint of understanding come into their eyes is overwhelming.
 
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Scotth1960

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#4
I say witness to the non-believers and let the expert apologists take care of converting the Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, etc.. Although that may be a worthy calling, there are plenty of lost souls out there who have never heard any message about the salvation which comes through the blood of Christ. And the joy of seeing a glint of understanding come into their eyes is overwhelming.



AMEN.
 
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Scotth1960

Guest
#5
Friends,

"BATTLE CASUALTY
"John had only been a Christian for three months when he head a well-known speak in his church talk about the false beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses. Inspired by the speaker's story of deliverance from fifteen years as a Jehovah's Witness, John began sharing the gospel with Jehovah's Witnesses. Pretty soon he was spending every evening witnessing and weekends sharing his message in local churches. he was so busy he didn't have much time to study, and theological and doctrinal issues were too deep for him to grasp quickly. So he picked up what he felt were the quickest and easiest ways to show Jehovah's Witnesses that they were wrong. He figured that once he proved to them that the Watchtower had lied to them, they would accept the gospel easily. It seemed an easy, practical solution which enabled him to promote the gospel without really having to acquire an in-depth understanding of basic biblical doctrine.
"The John started discussions with two leading Jehovah's Witnesses. He kept pressing home to them that the Watchtower organization was a false prophet. They kept pressi9ng home to him that it was irrational to believe in the Trinity and that he couldn't answer their scriptural arguments against the deity of Christ. Every time he brought up organizational flaws, they brought up arguments against the deity of Christ. At first John didn't pay much attention to what they said. After all, he reasoned, other Christians seemed to understand and be able to defend the doctrine of the Trinity, and he thouht that if he could just discredit the Watchtower, they would drop this stuff about Jesus being created.
"But that did not happen. The Jehovah's Witnesses finally got to him by convincing him that even if the Watchtower was flawed, at least they worshiped only one God and did not commit blasphemy by making Jesus God when he was only an angel. Eventually John was baptized a Jehovah's Witness and began going door to door sharing the "good news of the kingdom" from The Watchtower and Awake! magazines.
"His "quick answers" weren't enough to protect him from the seduction of heresy. ...."
"WARFARE IS DANGEROUS
"The people in these stories are battle casualties of witch hunting. Each of them had a heart for doing God's will, and each of them was sabotaged by witch hunting. The Bible tells us to defend orthodoxy (Jude 3), to check our faith (1 Thess. 5:21-22) and to fight Satan and his influence (Eph. 6:10-17). But we must be sure that we are mature, knowledgeable, and led by the Spirit to discern properly.
"Some discerners, lacking a comprehensive and lucid understanding of essential biblical doctrine. tend to condemn anything they are not familiar with, assuming that it is better to condemn that risk letting even one heretical belief slip in. Other discerners take the same lack and do not condemn anything, assuming that "unity" is necessary at all costs, even if the one they "feel" is a believer actually espouses heretical doctrine.
"Christians should not be satisfied with either of these forms of slipshod discernment. Those who wrongly attack true believers, even unwittingly, imitate the godless who "with his mouth destroys his neighbor" (Prov. 11:9). Those who compromise essential Christian belief in the name of unity, even though they are sincere, often embrace evil (1 Thess. 5:22)."
(pages 20-21; 23: Passantino, Bob, & Passantino, Gretchen. (1990). Witch Hunt. Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.).

Friends!
Read this book for more on apologetics. It is an interesting book, and rather well put-together. It is written at a lay level, so there may be some books that are more excellent than this one, but it is basically a sound book. That is because it is a general reference book, and doesn't discuss the specific controversies that divide believers from each other. It doesn't take a firm stand on all important issues, so that is a caveat on this book. It's just an introductory book on Christian apologetics. It doesn't introduce the key orthodox doctrines of the Christian faith. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington


Later on in this book it says: "There is nothing wrong with questioning, exploring new ideas, or trying out theories to see whether or not they are valid within the process of searching for truth and certainty -- even when we make mistakes. In fact, learning from our mistakes is invaluable. ..." (p. 27). ... "Without biblical discernment, Christians end up living in fear and confusion, unable to walk confidently in truth and love. The result of using godly wisdom is described by Solomon: Keep sound wisdom and discretion; So they will be life to your soul And grace to your neck. Then you will walk safely in your way, And your foot will not stumble. When you lie down, you will not be afraid; Yes, you will lie down and your sleep will be sweet. Do not be afraid of sudden terror, Nor of trouble from the wicked when it comes; For the LORD will be your confidence, And will keep your foot from being caught (Prov. 3:21-26)." (page 32).
"Regardless of background, a lack of theological preparation often evidences itself in the witch hunting tendency to label as heresy anything which is unfamiliar." (page 33.).

In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 
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AnandaHya

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#6
i'm going to show my ignorance but what is apologetics?
 
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Scotth1960

Guest
#7
i'm going to show my ignorance but what is apologetics?
Apologetics means "a defense of the doctrines of a faith". In this case, apologetics for Orthodox Christianity. What are the doctrines of the Bible, of Orthodox Christianity? What does the Bible mean, and whose interpretation of the Bible will prevail? Which Church is preaching the true Gospel? Apologetics deals with such questions. The defense of the Christian faith can be
logical/rational
historical, factual
theological/doctrinal
Biblical/exegetical
philosophical, which is virtually the same as logical/rational, or at least it overlaps it
experiential apologetic knowing what it's like to be born again
denominational /traditional a defense of a particular form of Christianity there are at least 30,000 different forms of church or Christianity
take care. God bless you in Christ Jesus, His grace be with you and may He have mercy on you, AnandaHya. Are you from India? God bless India and the Indian people. There is a Church of St. Thomas (Orthodox) in India. Take care. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
 
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Consumed

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#8
apologetics??? Pauls apologetic given to King Agrippa - his testimony
 
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VRJ

Guest
#9
We all are called to reach others for the Lord but the bible has guidelines.
The deciples were sent two by two. When a JW comes they are not just one but usually two. Never, never allow any cult into a home. They have their own techniques of taking charge and it usually starts with dialect not facts. remember Jesus always stated facts.....if one feels secure with their walk with the Lord...you take charge by starting with your own prayer..it's your home. Many on this chat fall into Satan's hands with dialect.

Jude 9 says even Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil, backed off and said to Satan: "The Lord rebuke thee." We are dealing with a very powerful enemy. Once Satan gets you to dialect he has you right where he wants you. Michael would not dialect and he's not going to argue with him.

Remember Satan in the garden dialected with Eve: He told her three things: two were true but one was a lie. Genesis 3:4.."Ye shall not surely die." Cults always start off with truth but many are not grounded enought to catch the lie.
II John 10; "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God Speed:"

We want so to bring them out of darkness. Pray that God first gives you that meat of understanding and protection from evil. The more you grow the more he attacks. Trust me.
Zechariah 2:5; "For I, saith the Lord, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her. This should be our prayer for ourselves, our loved ones and friends.
Luke 21:36; "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."
We are called to bring light to many but what we most all need to do is pray for that person and to love that person. The demons are confused by love because they don't know love. Not real love.
 
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loveasaweapon

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#10
"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to every one who asks you a reason for the hop that is in you, with meekness and fear," (1 Peter 3:15)

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth," (2 Timothy 2:15)

The New Evidence That Demands a Verdict, by Josh McDowell is also a good book on apologetics. I use it as a reference pretty regularly. Some of it gets kind of deep--there are chapters on form criticism and the documentary hypothesis that I have not yet read. But there are also roughly 200 pages on the deity of Christ, as well as sections on the historicity of the Bible and its inspiration.

Studying, learning, growing spiritually is a lifelong process. I would certainly not recommend that a new Christian try to engage a well established Jehovah's Witness (or Muslim, or Mormon either). However given the opportunity, we all have a story to share, no matter how far we've come in our faith. If you can tell someone how you came to know Jesus Christ as your Saviour, you can share the Gospel. We just have to know when to step away if we're clearly not getting through to someone, or we feel ourselves being negatively influenced.

God bless
 
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Scotth1960

Guest
#11
"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to every one who asks you a reason for the hop that is in you, with meekness and fear," (1 Peter 3:15)

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth," (2 Timothy 2:15)

The New Evidence That Demands a Verdict, by Josh McDowell is also a good book on apologetics. I use it as a reference pretty regularly. Some of it gets kind of deep--there are chapters on form criticism and the documentary hypothesis that I have not yet read. But there are also roughly 200 pages on the deity of Christ, as well as sections on the historicity of the Bible and its inspiration.

Studying, learning, growing spiritually is a lifelong process. I would certainly not recommend that a new Christian try to engage a well established Jehovah's Witness (or Muslim, or Mormon either). However given the opportunity, we all have a story to share, no matter how far we've come in our faith. If you can tell someone how you came to know Jesus Christ as your Saviour, you can share the Gospel. We just have to know when to step away if we're clearly not getting through to someone, or we feel ourselves being negatively influenced.

God bless
I've learned good and true things from 3 differing Christian traditions: Lutheran, Assembly of God, and Russian (Greek) Orthodox. They all have things to say about God. I also learned some from Reformed (Presbyterian) theology. Take care.