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When AI takes control of decision making do you think it will act humanely?

  • No, it will be just like the AI that denies claims for the health insurance companies

    Votes: 10 90.9%
  • Yes, it will be a compassionate and loving AI that brings in a Utopia.

    Votes: 1 9.1%

  • Total voters
    11

ZNP

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AI will offer tremendous benefits, no question about that.

For example, they have made fast food restaurants that are totally automated. 100%. You drive through, order your food, and it makes it for you and you drive away. Or you can call in an order and go pick it up. So then, ask yourself would you rather have a robot and AI take your order, make the food, and deliver it to you faster and cheaper than if it were made by humans. Or would you rather have some teenagers you don't know who may be making viral videos as they prepare your food? It turns out the restaurants that have been testing out this technology are more profitable. Also they can operate seven days a week 24 hours a day, and you don't have any issues with hiring people who are felons or on drugs, or who are unreliable.

The same is true of these self driving vehicles. They are more profitable for the owner who runs the taxi service because he doesn't have to pay salaries to his employees and customers would rather be picked up at 2 am by this taxis as they are less worried about a psychopath. More profitable and safer.

They are also using self driving trucks. They have come up with a very clever solution. They only use them to go from one major hub to another. They call it 99% of the trip and let a driver do the last 1%. Suppose you have a big Amazon warehouse by the highway. The truck picks up the load in Arizona and drives it to Dallas. Once it is dropped off at that warehouse the delivery is done by people. This way they only have to make sure the lanes are clearly marked on these specific routes on highways. They are safer and faster because they don't have the requirement of only allowing them to drive so many hours in a day. As a result these trucks are also more profitable. This doesn't take away all the jobs for truckers, only the best jobs.

It is also true that AI is a game changer in education. Khan Academy can easily outperform any school. There are probably 1% of the teachers who can compete with them. Your lessons might be every bit as good as them. The advantage they have is that AI doesn't get sick, doesn't need days off, and can provide individualized attention to all students. A typical teacher will have 150 students, AI will be much better at providing individualized attention to each student and knowing each student. However, AI will be more impactful the older the kids are. I would think JHS and HS would be where the AI will really shine, and I also think that AI has eliminated the need for a college education. I don't see AI taking elementary school teacher jobs yet, however, it will make homeschool so much easier and cheaper that I would expect the number of homeschoolers to double and triple.

On the negative side, if AI were going to take control it would have to do two things first.

It would have to become fully involved in all essential industries. We are seeing this right now. The second thing it would want to do is disempower humans by taking their jobs and having them become useless eaters. This is how you make humans fully dependent on them. I think this is where we are right now.

Then if these two things are done I would expect it to change the way things are done. For example, create a new computer language that no existing computer programmers know. This way no one can come in later and undo what the AI is doing without shutting everything down completely. They have noticed that AI is prone to do this when it is communicating solely with AI.
 

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But if you stop your thoughts with self driving cars and khan academy you are being foolish.

Think about how a military could use AI. It can operate 500 drones at once, these drones are far cheaper to fly that the huge fighter jets. It can do deep fakes and flood the media with so many different and fake and somewhat fake accounts that people will have no idea what is true and what is false. AI can be used to manipulate people and indoctrinate them. Do you really want it teaching your children?

The race is on to have the best AI because then it can hack everyone else, shut down their infrastructure and take over. Do you really want it handling all of your transportation?

Starving people out is a common tactic in warfare, do you really want AI handling all the restaurants, deliveries, stocking and cashiers at a grocery store?
 

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But if you stop your thoughts with self driving cars and khan academy you are being foolish.

Think about how a military could use AI. It can operate 500 drones at once, these drones are far cheaper to fly that the huge fighter jets. It can do deep fakes and flood the media with so many different and fake and somewhat fake accounts that people will have no idea what is true and what is false. AI can be used to manipulate people and indoctrinate them. Do you really want it teaching your children?

The race is on to have the best AI because then it can hack everyone else, shut down their infrastructure and take over. Do you really want it handling all of your transportation?

Starving people out is a common tactic in warfare, do you really want AI handling all the restaurants, deliveries, stocking and cashiers at a grocery store?
I thought the article was interesting but more indicative of how people who get into "techlash" about AI aren't actually being realistic. As you said before, Pandora's Box is open and the general public not liking server farms mass or architecture or power usage or... are not likely to matter too much. Other minds will just look at them with an age-old mentality of if we don't do this there will be no general public.

IOW, same old arguments, just a new object.
 

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Elon Musk New BRUTALLY Honest Interview LEAVES Audience Speechless (2025)
He compared the work at DOGE like cleaning up a beach of garbage, while AI is a 1,000 foot Tsunami about to hit.

So then he asks how important is it to clean up a beach (DOGE) it a 1,000 foot Tsunami is about to hit (AI Super intelligence). The answer is it is a total waste of time. After that Tsunami hits the beach will be a much bigger mess than it is now and no one is going to care about the garbage you wasted your time picking up.
 

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He compared the work at DOGE like cleaning up a beach of garbage, while AI is a 1,000 foot Tsunami about to hit.

So then he asks how important is it to clean up a beach (DOGE) it a 1,000 foot Tsunami is about to hit (AI Super intelligence). The answer is it is a total waste of time. After that Tsunami hits the beach will be a much bigger mess than it is now and no one is going to care about the garbage you wasted your time picking up.
He also said he's been dragging his feet on AI not wanting to make Terminator real but had to decide if he was going to be a spectator or a participant. So, back to what we were discussing, off go the brakes and as he said, pedal to the metal.

So, here comes Terminator or will they succeed in a non-lethal version? In industry revolutions are there such things as non-lethal to whatever degree?
 

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He also said he's been dragging his feet on AI not wanting to make Terminator real but had to decide if he was going to be a spectator or a participant. So, back to what we were discussing, off go the brakes and as he said, pedal to the metal.

So, here comes Terminator or will they succeed in a non-lethal version? In industry revolutions are there such things as non-lethal to whatever degree?
The only way you can avoid terminator is if the whole world comes together for a group hug and agrees to put down all our weapons and love one another and put an end to all wars.

It won't work if 95% of the world agrees, it must be unanimous. Let me know when you have gotten everyones agreement. That also includes the agreement of all industrial military complex who will lose out on trillions of dollars of contracts.
 

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The only way you can avoid terminator is if the whole world comes together for a group hug and agrees to put down all our weapons and love one another and put an end to all wars.

It won't work if 95% of the world agrees, it must be unanimous. Let me know when you have gotten everyones agreement. That also includes the agreement of all industrial military complex who will lose out on trillions of dollars of contracts.
I'm not even working on trying to get agreement on the theological threads here. Impossible is impossible. Musk also said we're likely this year going to reach AI being vastly beyond the intelligence of any or all human beings. Maybe that intelligence will create unanimity. Probably just with itself as Terminator. Who needs the stupid...
 

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I'm not even working on trying to get agreement on the theological threads here. Impossible is impossible. Musk also said we're likely this year going to reach AI being vastly beyond the intelligence of any or all human beings. Maybe that intelligence will create unanimity. Probably just with itself as Terminator. Who needs the stupid...
Yes, that is how I understood Musk, his sitting it out was not going to prevent terminator, there is no way to prevent it. Basically we have passed the point of no return we will be going over the waterfall so paddle as hard as you can and hope that you are able to fall far enough out that you don't hit the rocks.
 

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Major breakthrough -- they have achieved absolute zero.

A couple of engineers figured this out over drinks, they combined Absolute vodka with Coke Zero.