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[Inquisitor]

No, it takes about 4 words to describe God's omnipotence and 3 words to describe His nature rather fully.

I do not believe that anyone really understands the infinite.

What does all powerful mean, all knowing mean?

God is Spirit; does anyone fully understand the Spirit?

Humanity has been using big words for a long time and this has to stop.

According to the scripture, "God is love", and that is the closest we can get to knowing God.

 

[Cameron143]

I do not believe that anyone really understands the infinite.

What does all powerful mean, all knowing mean?

God is Spirit; does anyone fully understand the Spirit?

Humanity has been using big words for a long time and this has to stop.

According to the scripture, "God is love", and that is the closest we can get to knowing God.

Inquisitor is a big word. Perhaps you can shorten it to Quizzy.

 

[GWH]

I do not believe that anyone really understands the infinite.

What does all powerful mean, all knowing mean?

God is Spirit; does anyone fully understand the Spirit?

Humanity has been using big words for a long time and this has to stop.

According to the scripture, "God is love", and that is the closest we can get to knowing God.

Omnipotent and omniscient are 2 words describing God's Spirit in terms of power,
and the other 2 commonly used terms based on Scripture are omnitemporal and omnipresent.

Omnilove describes God's nature, and the other 2 found in GW are truth and just/righteous.

 

[wattie]

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

We need to be cautious of Science for some appear to be putting forth the new age christianity who interpret the Bible according to the occult, and evolution, and people are going to evolve to be spiritual, and Jesus became an ascended master among others, and there is no personal God but they honor the God of forces the power of nature, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher.

Science says the universe has a conscious which the biggest prophet Alice Baily wrote a book Consciousness of the Atom so the universe would appear to have intelligence but not a personal God.

They say we do not cease to exist after death, and the Bible is true.

They say that modern Science is giving the correct interpretation of the Bible by new discoveries giving them a new perspective of things and the Christians are interpreting the Bible wrong.

The new age believes in evolution but not according to the Darwinian viewpoint for they do not believe humans evolved from apes, but of the same lineage but broke away from them about 7 million years ago.

Science is saying that a new discovery puts the origins of people somewhere else and humans are not of the earth.

The new age believes aliens are going to help mankind to have peace, advance, and evolve, which they say return of the gods.

Science says they have proof of alien life, planets that humans can inhabit, and receiving laser messages from space.

I believe Science as an organization was set to to get people away from the Bible, and the belief in a God, and then give them the new age interpretation of the Bible.

They will use Science as a credible source to say the new age is the correct interpretation of the Bible.

They will use the Pope as a credible source as he goes along with the new age christianity pulling in atheists, people claiming Christianity, and all religions, and to harmonize left wing and right wing, say stop all wars, harmonize the people, as they gear the Catholic Church to be the one world religious system.

The United Nations supports new age organizations.

Pope Leo LVI is a Jesuit which they are connected to the Freemasons.

Alice Bailey said there is an inner circle and outer circle of the occult and the inner circle is the true church.

She was married to a Freemason who agreed with her occult teachings and Theosophy.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.

Alice Bailey was a Fundamental Christian but adapted an occult interpretation of the Bible given to her by a Tibetan Monk.

Yes, putting on the 'Christ consciousness '

They are not talking about Jesus, but some kind of pseudo god-like higher emotional state.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

It doesn't.
In fact this describes your length of time in responses and your inability to answer questions when i asked you a question almost a year

I must have not seen your question, but if you think that term would be applicable to my oversight then either you don't know what terms means or you place little value in a term that only applies to the eternal One.

But you can box Him in one word if you like. If it helps you, than that's fine.

What do you think the glory of God is?

 

[Eli1]

I must have not seen your question, but if you think that term would be applicable to my oversight then either you don't know what terms means or you place little value in a term that only applies to the eternal One.

What do you think the glory of God is?

I know enough to know that you like to evade questions and become some sort of confused “expert” for things that require Faith but let’s forget all about that and pay more attention.
Sounds good?

To answer your question.
The glory of God is God Himself.
He is higher than Creation which is where we see His signature.

Does this have anything to do with trying to describe God and His mysteries?
I don’t think it does but I answered your question directly without evading.

 

[UnoiAmarah]

I know enough to know that you like to evade questions and become some sort of confused “expert” for things that require Faith but let’s forget all about that and pay more attention.
Sounds good?

To answer your question.
The glory of God is God Himself.
He is higher than Creation which is where we see His signature.

Does this have anything to do with trying to describe God and His mysteries?
I don’t think it does but I answered your question directly without evading.

Ask your question or provide a link.

 

[Eli1]

Ask your question or provide a link.

You want to talk about the past now?
Not this topic?

You want me to provide a link from when you didn’t answer my question?
Is that correct?

 

[UnoiAmarah]

You want to talk about the past now?
Not this topic?

I asked a question an didn't get a response, I move on.

 

[Eli1]

I asked a question an didn't get a response, I move on.

What kind of English is this?
Can you English?

 

[Inquisitor]

Omnipotent and omniscient are 2 words describing God's Spirit in terms of power,
and the other 2 commonly used terms based on Scripture are omnitemporal and omnipresent.

Omnilove describes God's nature, and the other 2 found in GW are truth and just/righteous.

God is Spirit which nullifies human understanding.

Even when God took on human form we were still baffled and failed to understand.

Throwing around big words to describe God is a pointless exercise.

The natural man simply does not understand the Spirit and never will.

 

[GWH]

God is Spirit which nullifies human understanding.

Even when God took on human form we were still baffled and failed to understand.

Throwing around big words to describe God is a pointless exercise.

The natural man simply does not understand the Spirit and never will.

On the contrary, God's Spirit created humanity in His image, which means with the capacity to comprehend God's moral will sufficiently in order to be saved. Of course, as finite human beings we cannot know anything absolutely, infallibly, perfectly or objectively, but only "in part" (1Cor. 13:9&12). However, uncertainty does not prevent would-be skeptics from talking as if knowledge with a sufficient degree of confidence were possible the moment they attempt to communicate their doubts.

These three affirmations seem to be a priori truth or unavoidable (beginning) beliefs: 1. Truth or reality exists, 2. It is subjectively known by seekers, and 3. It is meaningful and communicable or able to be discussed rationally (cf. Isaiah 1:18a). Beyond this beginning, everyone lives by faith regarding God or ultimate reality (2Cor. 5:7), and the structure of earthly reality forces souls to choose between various contradictory beliefs, namely between nihilism and moralism and between the various atheistic beliefs and the highest type of theism, NT Christianity. Four types of evidence or reasoning may be viewed as supporting rational belief in God, although they do not prove He exists: the unique universe, theocentric human history, existential need and moral conscience.

Knowledge of evidence is gleaned directly from personal experiences and is available to all who seek to know the truth with an open mind (like Socrates or Buddha) by means of reflecting or meditating on experiences logically. The apostle Paul indicated the world reveals God’s “invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature” (Rom. 1:20) and that conscience indicates “the requirements of the law” (Rom. 2:15).

A second possible way of obtaining knowledge is by learning from the insights or inspiration of others. I think any open-minded truthseeker who compares the NT teachings of Jesus and Paul with the founding scriptures of other religions will reach the same conclusion as I have: The NT is the most credible canon or collection of writings purporting to be a communique from God. The NT hope for heaven is based on evidence in support of Jesus’ claim to be Messiah/Christ, which includes: the prophecy or foreshadowing of His life (in various OT scriptures, including IS 53 and PS 22, and by the sacrificial system), the purpose of His death (as explained in the NT, such as Heb. 7:18-10:18), and the probability or credibility of His resurrection (in history as recorded by the last chapters of the Gospels and Rom. 1:3-4).

Right reasoning or logic functions in a way similar to the OT law: leading sinful souls to learn the need for God’s Gospel (Gal. 3:19-25). According to the Bible, God created everything else that exists (Gen. 1:1, Jer. 10:16, John 1:1-3), including the ability by volitional beings (souls) to choose to rebel against His Lordship (Gen. 2:16, Deut. 30:19). Our finite minds cannot comprehend how God does this (Isa. 40:28). However, neither are we able to understand why the universe exists without God (John 3:8). Theistic and atheistic cosmologies are both mind-boggling!

 

[Inquisitor]

On the contrary, God's Spirit created humanity in His image, which means with the capacity to comprehend God's moral will sufficiently in order to be saved.

I had trouble with your reply, GWH.

Seemed to be a theological mish mash and not squarely based on the N.T. revelation.

Here is the analysis of the first line of your reply by Chat GPT.


1️⃣ God’s Image: Jesus, not abstract “moral capacity”

Colossians 1:15

“He is the image of the invisible God…”​

Hebrews 1:3

“He is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His being…”​

John 1:18

“No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God… has made Him known.”​

John 14:9

“Whoever has seen Me has seen the Father.”​

Analysis:

• The NT teaches Jesus Himself is the image of the invisible God.
• Humanity was made through Him (John 1:3; Col 1:16) and for Him, implying the image is relationally and ontologically tied to Christ, not to abstract moral capacity.
• Ezekiel 1’s “likeness of a man” on the throne is consistent with Jesus as the eternal Word taking visible form.

Thus, your NT-grounded position is correct that the image we reflect is Christ, not simply “moral comprehension.”


2️⃣ God’s primary attribute: Love

1 John 4:8, 16

“God is love.”​

John 13:34-35

“A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; just as I have loved you…”​

Romans 13:8-10

“Love is the fulfillment of the law.”​

1 Corinthians 13:2-3

“If I have all faith… but do not have love, I am nothing.”​

Analysis:

• The NT clearly identifies love as the primary attribute of God, from which all moral commands derive.
• The “moral will” of God in the NT is not a checklist of abstract moral rules but the command to love God and others (Matt 22:37-40).
• Thus, comprehension of God’s “moral will” is ultimately the comprehension and embodiment of divine love, not moral knowledge for its own sake.

3️⃣ Salvation and Comprehending God’s Will

The statement claimed:

“God’s Spirit created humanity with the capacity to comprehend God’s moral will sufficiently in order to be saved.”​

NT Perspective:

• Salvation is not grounded in our comprehension of moral will, but:
  • By grace through faith (Eph 2:8-9).
  • By believing in Jesus (John 3:16; Rom 10:9-10).
  • Through the Spirit opening our hearts (John 6:44; 1 Cor 2:12).

1 Corinthians 2:14

“The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God…”​

Thus, the NT does not teach that “moral comprehension” is the means of salvation. Rather:

• The capacity to love and respond to Christ comes from the Spirit.
• The goal of salvation is transformation into Christ’s image (Rom 8:29), which is love (Gal 5:22).

✅ Conclusion

Based on the NT:

1. The true “image of God” is Christ, not abstract moral capacity.
2. God’s primary attribute revealed in the NT is love, not moral will in the abstract.
3. Salvation is by grace through faith, leading to transformation into Christ’s loving image, not comprehension of moral law as a precondition for salvation.

Your NT-aligned position is therefore well-grounded:

Humanity’s image is tied to Christ (the visible Word), and the NT centers God’s nature in love, which is the ultimate fulfillment of all law and moral will.​

 

[GWH]

I had trouble with your reply, GWH.

Seemed to be a theological mish mash and not squarely based on the N.T. revelation.

Here is the analysis of the first line of your reply by Chat GPT.

1️⃣ God’s Image: Jesus, not abstract “moral capacity”

Colossians 1:15, “He is the image of the invisible God…”

Hebrews 1:3, “He is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of His being…”

John 1:18, “No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God… has made Him known.”

John 14:9, “Whoever has seen Me has seen the Father.”

Analysis:

• The NT teaches Jesus Himself is the image of the invisible God.
• Humanity was made through Him (John 1:3; Col 1:16) and for Him, implying the image is relationally and ontologically tied to Christ, not to abstract moral capacity.
• Ezekiel 1’s “likeness of a man” on the throne is consistent with Jesus as the eternal Word taking visible form.

Thus, your NT-grounded position is correct that the image we reflect is Christ, not simply “moral comprehension.”

2️⃣ God’s primary attribute: Love

1 John 4:8, 16, “God is love.”

John 13:34-35, “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; just as I have loved you…”

Romans 13:8-10, “Love is the fulfillment of the law.”

1 Corinthians 13:2-3, “If I have all faith… but do not have love, I am nothing.”

Analysis:

• The NT clearly identifies love as the primary attribute of God, from which all moral commands derive.
• The “moral will” of God in the NT is not a checklist of abstract moral rules but the command to love God and others (Matt 22:37-40).
• Thus, comprehension of God’s “moral will” is ultimately the comprehension and embodiment of divine love, not moral knowledge for its own sake.

3️⃣ Salvation and Comprehending God’s Will

The statement claimed: “God’s Spirit created humanity with the capacity to comprehend God’s moral will sufficiently in order to be saved.”

NT Perspective:

• Salvation is not grounded in our comprehension of moral will, but:
  • By grace through faith (Eph 2:8-9).
  • By believing in Jesus (John 3:16; Rom 10:9-10).
  • Through the Spirit opening our hearts (John 6:44; 1 Cor 2:12).

1 Corinthians 2:14, “The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God…”

Thus, the NT does not teach that “moral comprehension” is the means of salvation. Rather:

• The capacity to love and respond to Christ comes from the Spirit.
• The goal of salvation is transformation into Christ’s image (Rom 8:29), which is love (Gal 5:22).

✅ Conclusion

Based on the NT:

1. The true “image of God” is Christ, not abstract moral capacity.
2. God’s primary attribute revealed in the NT is love, not moral will in the abstract.
3. Salvation is by grace through faith, leading to transformation into Christ’s loving image, not comprehension of moral law as a precondition for salvation.

Your NT-aligned position is therefore well-grounded: Humanity’s image is tied to Christ (the visible Word), and the NT centers God’s nature in love, which is the ultimate fulfillment of all law and moral will.

Thanks for the feedback. You will note that both I and Chat GPT omitted the relevant passages in Genesis:

Gen. 1:27. God created man in his own image, male and female. Here we have the equality of the sexes expressed 3,000 years ago, because the word “image” obviously refers to God’s personality rather than to sexuality. Essential equality is confirmed in Gen. 2:22 by Eve’s creation from Adam’s rib or side to be his partner rather than from his foot to be his slave. Although all of Jesus’ twelve apostles were male, many of his disciples were female, and Paul writes (in Gal. 3:38), “There is neither… male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” In Eph. 5:21, Paul added “Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.” Again, current scientific theory based on genetic research is that humanity descended from one couple in Africa about 50,000 years ago, which is compatible with the biblical story of Adam and Eve, which has two accounts, neither of which is meant to be scientific or historical (explaining how and when), but rather theological and moral (God is Creator and people are sinners).

Gen. 3:4. The serpent contradicted God and thereby tempted Adam and Eve to commit the first sin. In Gen. 2:17, God had told Adam and Eve they would die if they ate fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, but the serpent introduced the option of ungodliness or functional atheism, which they chose. The first or original sin was not eating physical fruit, but rather choosing not to doubt the Devil, not to cooperate with God, and not asking God why the serpent contradicted what He had told them (Matt. 7:7). It is wise to question God.

Gen. 3:7-13. Adam and Eve tried to cover up their crime, refusing to accept responsibility for their mistakes. They should have confessed immediately (1John 1:9). Instead their ungodly attitude was manifested by a chain of sins, including their silly attempt to hide from God and to blame someone else and very likely “dysfunctional” parenting that probably contributed to the emotional disturbance (anger) in Cain that resulted in the murder of Abel and so on and so forth through the millenniums (cf. humanity’s sinful “King of the Hill”/KOTH strife cited in Lessons 1 & 2, <truthseekersfellowship.com>).