Classification of being saved

[Jackson129]

Bare with me I wasent sure how to properly title this thread.

Ok there is a verse written by Paul. For when the Gentiles who have not the law do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law . Become a law unto themselves. Romans 2.14

Let's say you lived perfectly according to the law having never received it. Also you lived exactly like Jesus would want you to having never heard of him. Maybe like an Inuit tribe member around the year 1200 for example. Are you judged according to your works? Could you sin if never givin the law? For the law revealed sin. I absolutely believe in my heart that our Lord Jesus who we worship wouldn't throw a good righteous loving individual in hell for not believing in him when they never heard of him. Just curious if there's a category a person like that would be considered? Is that the "becomes a law unto themselves " category in Paul's verse?

 

[wattie]

Bare with me I wasent sure how to properly title this thread.

Ok there is a verse written by Paul. For when the Gentiles who have not the law do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law . Become a law unto themselves. Romans 2.14

Let's say you lived perfectly according to the law having never received it. Also you lived exactly like Jesus would want you to having never heard of him. Maybe like an Inuit tribe member around the year 1200 for example. Are you judged according to your works? Could you sin if never givin the law? For the law revealed sin. I absolutely believe in my heart that our Lord Jesus who we worship wouldn't throw a good righteous loving individual in hell for not believing in him when they never heard of him. Just curious if there's a category a person like that would be considered? Is that the "becomes a law unto themselves " category in Paul's verse?

No one is actually good and righteous until made right by Jesus.

..For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God..

So.. no one can be saved because they are *good*

No one has also ever kept every commandment perfectly. Only Jesus.

...for the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. ..

Someone who has no opportunity to hear the gospel..God has the power to reach thru the testimony of His creation.. He isn't limited by having to have someone verbally tell them.

..for the invisible things of God are clearly seen through the things He has made, so they are without excuse..

 

[Jackson129]

I know that everyone has sinned. I was just curious about the people of the world that have never heard the law or the testimony of Jesus. Just curious about how they are judged.

 

[wattie]

I know that everyone has sinned. I was just curious about the people of the world that have never heard the law or the testimony of Jesus. Just curious about how they are judged.

God will give then an opportunity to believe

 

[GWH]

Bare with me I wasent sure how to properly title this thread.

Ok there is a verse written by Paul. For when the Gentiles who have not the law do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law . Become a law unto themselves. Romans 2.14

Let's say you lived perfectly according to the law having never received it. Also you lived exactly like Jesus would want you to having never heard of him. Maybe like an Inuit tribe member around the year 1200 for example. Are you judged according to your works? Could you sin if never givin the law? For the law revealed sin. I absolutely believe in my heart that our Lord Jesus who we worship wouldn't throw a good righteous loving individual in hell for not believing in him when they never heard of him. Just curious if there's a category a person like that would be considered? Is that the "becomes a law unto themselves " category in Paul's verse?

I share your concern/love for those who have had no opportunity to learn the Gospel, and here is what I believe GW teaches:

An obvious question to ask is, “What is God's requirement for salvation for those who have never heard of Jesus?” (which includes everyone living B.C. and millions of people who have lived A.D.) If God loves the world (John 3:16) and wants everyone to be saved
(2 Tim. 2:4), then He must provide an opportunity. God’s just judgment is illustrated by Jesus in the Parable of the Talents (Matt. 25:14-29), which indicates that God will judge souls on the basis of the truth (Word = Christ per John 1:1 f.) they have received.

There are two main ways God/Christ is encountered:

1. General revelation, which includes meditating on the natural world or God’s supernatural work and moral conscience. Paul said men are without excuse, both because God’s eternal power and divine nature (love) are manifested by creation (Rom. 1:20), and because a proto-gospel has been proclaimed to everyone under heaven implicitly or in pre-NT foreshadowings (Col. 1:23, Rom. 10:13-18, Gal. 3:8). He also taught that all normal humans have a conscience or “common” sense (Rom. 2:14-16), which manifests morality or a moral Authority in every culture.

2. Special revelation (1Pet. 1:8-12), which refers mainly to divinely inspired NT teaching regarding God’s history of salvation. Again, the Parable of the Talents indicates that souls are saved via faith in God/ Christ as revealed (cf. 1 Cor. 10:1-5). Truthseekers around the world in all times are pilgrims at various places along the road of life, and all true roads eventually lead to the Way to eternal life in heaven (John 14:6, Acts 24:14, Phil. 2:10-11). All truth leads to One Way.

Jesus Himself expressed GRFS succinctly using three, four and five letter words: “Ask… seek… knock…” (Matt. 7:7). This indicates that God graces every sinful soul with the ability or opportunity to understand how to be saved (1 Tim. 2:3-4), which might be called “seeking grace” (Tit. 2:11). As Hebrews 11:6 states: “he [God] rewards those who earnestly seek him” (cf. Isa. 45:19). Seeking God is the beginning of saving faith, and not seeking God or rejecting His salvation in Christ is the essence of evil atheism or faith in I-dolatry (Rom. 3:11, 1:18-23).

Thus, sinful humanity retains the image of God or moral free will, so every normal adult soul is able by grace through faith to choose to seek salvation–or not (Eph. 2:8-10, cf. Deut. 30:19).

 

[Jackson129]

So like the native American tribes would fall under general revaluations. In that they meditated on the natural world very heavily. So when they said there was an air God and a land God and an animal God they were in there own way proclaiming God the father or Jesus because he is God of all those things. Am I understanding your statement right?

 

[Karlon]

Bare with me I wasent sure how to properly title this thread.

Ok there is a verse written by Paul. For when the Gentiles who have not the law do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law . Become a law unto themselves. Romans 2.14

Let's say you lived perfectly according to the law having never received it. Also you lived exactly like Jesus would want you to having never heard of him. Maybe like an Inuit tribe member around the year 1200 for example. Are you judged according to your works? Could you sin if never givin the law? For the law revealed sin. I absolutely believe in my heart that our Lord Jesus who we worship wouldn't throw a good righteous loving individual in hell for not believing in him when they never heard of him. Just curious if there's a category a person like that would be considered? Is that the "becomes a law unto themselves " category in Paul's verse?

every human will have had a chance to hear of Jesus before the Rapture occurs by way of the Holy Spirit's calling. the Bible teaches, "i will pour out my Spirit in the last days". anyone born mentally handicapped & babies who die are all saved.

 

[GWH]

So like the native American tribes would fall under general revaluations. In that they meditated on the natural world very heavily. So when they said there was an air God and a land God and an animal God they were in there own way proclaiming God the father or Jesus because he is God of all those things. Am I understanding your statement right?

As I understand Paul, Creation (Rom. 1:20) and conscience (Rom. 2:6-16) reveals to truthseekers the existence of the Creator and His moral will, so they will be judged on the basis of seeking salvation and wanting to cooperate with "do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

 

[Soyeong]

Bare with me I wasent sure how to properly title this thread.

Ok there is a verse written by Paul. For when the Gentiles who have not the law do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law . Become a law unto themselves. Romans 2.14

Let's say you lived perfectly according to the law having never received it. Also you lived exactly like Jesus would want you to having never heard of him. Maybe like an Inuit tribe member around the year 1200 for example. Are you judged according to your works? Could you sin if never givin the law? For the law revealed sin. I absolutely believe in my heart that our Lord Jesus who we worship wouldn't throw a good righteous loving individual in hell for not believing in him when they never heard of him. Just curious if there's a category a person like that would be considered? Is that the "becomes a law unto themselves " category in Paul's verse?

God's way is the way to know Him and Jesus by being in His likeness through being a doer of His character traits, which is the way to eternal life (John 17:3). For example, in Genesis 18:19, God knew Abraham that he would teach his children and those of his household to walk in His way by being a doer of righteousness and justice that the the Lord might bring to him all that He has promised. Sin is what is contrary to walking in God's way, sin is contrary to God's character, and sin is the transgression of God's law because it was given to teach us how to walk in God's way (1 Kings 2:1-3). Sin was in the world before the law was given (Romans 5:13) because people were able to do what was contrary to God's way before they had been instructed laws in that regard.

The way to believe in God is by directing our lives to walking in His way. For example, by being a doer of good works in obedience to God's law we are testifying about God's goodness, which is why our good works bring glory to Him (Matthew 5:16), and by testifying about God's goodness we are also expressing the belief that God is good, or in other words we are believing in Him. Likewise, the way to believe that God is a doer of righteous works is by being in His likeness through being a doer of righteous works in obedience to His law, the way to believe that God is holy is by being a doer of His instructions for how to be holy as He is holy, and so forth. This is exactly the same as the way to believe in the Son because the Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character, which he expressed through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in God'a way in obedience to His law. In other words, God's word is His instructions for how to believe in God's word made flesh. This is also why there are many verses that connect our belief in God with our obedience to Him, such as in Revelation 14:12, those who kept faith in Jesus are the same as those who kept God's commandments. Jesus saves us from our sin by graciously teaching us to walk in God's way, so there is no reason to doubt the salvation of anyone who is walking in God's way.

 

[homwardbound]

Bare with me I wasent sure how to properly title this thread.

Ok there is a verse written by Paul. For when the Gentiles who have not the law do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law . Become a law unto themselves. Romans 2.14

Let's say you lived perfectly according to the law having never received it. Also you lived exactly like Jesus would want you to having never heard of him. Maybe like an Inuit tribe member around the year 1200 for example. Are you judged according to your works? Could you sin if never givin the law? For the law revealed sin. I absolutely believe in my heart that our Lord Jesus who we worship wouldn't throw a good righteous loving individual in hell for not believing in him when they never heard of him. Just curious if there's a category a person like that would be considered? Is that the "becomes a law unto themselves " category in Paul's verse?

every person is first born with the knowledge of good and evil. Each person chooses which to stand in, or mix the two, for to have a good life here on earth before death happens to them? Many mix the two and justify their wrongs, I did at one point in my walk of love and mercy given me. To, think one person is born bad, or all are born bad after the similitude of Adam and Eve's free choice, I see, each are given the knowledge of good and evil, at first birth in flesh and blood, to choose one over the other, or mix good and bad, as I see, many are doing, taking the grace given for granted, which is not good to me for me and so left that jargon behind me. and stand in trust to the Love of God for us all to just do what is right and not use it for any self gain ever again. As, did in my past guilty of doing, not anymore, thanking a Loving God for us all to be new in love and mercy to all, not a few, for me at least presently.
I see no person born as evil. I see all are born to know good and evil. I choose Right over wrong, now, as it is God that reveals God to each to choose to do right over wrong and these will do what is right that choose to, period, at least learn to willingly, and grow in grace, not having any selfishness for stuff here on earth to have, when it comes to harming others over to have (Not worth it), at least to me. thank you for being willing, to do right and doing it too.
So, will you defraud others (each person knows in themselves) in order to get stuff here on earth? It is everyone's personal choice to make. I will say it again it is each person's personal choice to choose over having to choose. Religion and other people, only teach people to do or else attitudes, to get stuff here and now, these are sitting in Moses's seat A problem that Jesus revealed to the Pharisees and religious leaders to stop doing that, fraud happening to others for self gain. And even said, they would not have known of this unless he came here to reveal it to them. He did that and is risen where I stand in thanksgiving and praise for me at least.
Thank you, love as you are love by God in Son's done work not of self efforts or others and you will be content in all things happening good or bad, thank this love (God) to us all and have a contented, blessed life forever
that is the gift given us to love thank you The only love I know that is true is
1 Corinthians 13:4
Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1 Corinthians 13:5
doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1 Corinthians 13:6
rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1 Corinthians 13:7
beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

That for me as I have walked to do, I came to see "I" can't do it perfectly ever
So, I asked and stood in belief to receive that love of 1 Cor 13:4-7
God, after my long walk off a short pier daily, saw to choose to be imputed from God that God puts in people, to rest in seeing to not have to try anymore to do it, these are doing it.
Therefore, ask God Father and receive and be new too in love an mercy to all, thank you