Constitution of America is the Rome Constitution Written in Modern Terms

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There is nothing new in this earth that has not been done before because the Word says the following in the book of Ecclesiastes . The first Republic Empire was Rome and the modern day Republic is America(Rome). Both had much in common with each which are the following:

1. Both were welfare states
2. Both revolted against a monarchy: Rome against Etruscans & America against the British
3. Both established a Republic with checks and balances
4. Separation of Powers
5. Protecting certain rights for certain people(the Elite)
6. Both imperialistic in nature
7. Both begin as an agricultural in farming and growth in free enterprise
8. Both government became corrupted with self serving politicians
9. Both began s steal from the lower class people
10. Both had a credit crisis and money problems
11. Military Power
12. Mass Destruction of Weapons
13. Conquer others nations with force religion
14. Government spending
15. Both claiming to be a God fearing nation
16. Both cried the following: Taxes, taxes, taxes
17. Both had an issue with homosexuality

Did the Founders of America admired, respected the Roman Empire and its political agenda of controlling the people?
Polybius, Political Science, and the United States Constitution

https://adversusapologetica.wordpre...l-science-and-the-united-states-constitution/

The tripodal system of government described above has probably already struck a chord with many readers. What other system of government today likewise is based on a tripodal division of powers? The United States Constitution. When I first read Book VI of Polybius’Histories, I couldn’t help but be reminded of the division of powers between the Executive, Judicial, and Legislative branches of the U.S. government. While not an exact parallel, the division of powers in the United States’ system is very similar, with a sole president having the chief executive authority, an elite and experienced body of judges serving as the ruling council of the judiciary (supreme court justices are likewise appointed for life, just as were Roman senators), and a popularly elected legislative body representing the will of the people.
The similarities between the constitutions of Rome and United States is hardly a coincidence. Many of the United States’ founding fathers had extensive Classical training in Greek and Latin literature. To quote Thomas Jefferson:
“To read the Latin and Greek authors in their original, is a sublime luxury … I thank on my knees, him who directed my early education, for having put into my possession this rich source of delight …” (Letter to Priestley, Jan. 27, 1800)
However, when I first studied Polybius I was not sure whether he had directly impacted the founding fathers’ ideas about the division of powers in a mixed government, or whether they had picked up the idea only indirectly from later authors (such as Montesquieu). Sure enough, however, after doing some research, I found this valuable article written by Marshall Lloyd that discusses Polybius’ influence on the founding fathers. By the time of the late-18th century CE, Polybius’ 2nd-century BCE Greek history had been reconstructed from the surviving Medieval manuscripts and published in various editions through the printing press. Many of the founding fathers had copies of Polybius’Histories. As Mortimer Sellers (pg. 46) writes in American Republicanism: Roman Ideology in the United States Constitution:
“Americans understood the Roman constitution primarily through the writings of Polybius, readily available in four recent printings, and after [January of] 1787 in excerpts from Spelman’s translation, reproduced inJohn Adam’s Defense of the Constitutions of the United States of America.”
Likewise, the father of the United States Constitution, James Madison, quotes Polybius inThe Federalist Papers No. 63 and in No. 47 discusses the division of powers extensively and its role in the U.S. government:
“The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands whether of one, a few or many, and whether hereditary, self appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.”

Ecclesiastes 1 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)


9 What has been is what will be,
and what has been done is what will be done;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Can one say about anything,
“Look, this is new”?
It has already existed in the ages before us.
11 There is no remembrance of those who[c] came before;
and of those who[d] will come after
there will also be no remembrance
by those who follow them.

Miseducation is a powerful tool of controlling the masses of folks.
 
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Diagram: the "Constitution" of the Roman Republic - Roman History - Winter 2007



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"There is nothing new in this earth that has not been done before because the Word says the following in the book of Ecclesiastes ." <--Your opening sentence detracts from the thread.

Obviously, in the earth's history there have been a great many "firsts" which had "not been done before."

You see, in that period and place, ancient kings were constantly seeking out accomplishments so they could boast they had done something that had never been done or achieved before. This was usually political for reasons of retaining and increasing their power in a turbulent world in which power shifts occurred with regularity from both domestic and foreign threats but it has also been documented that most of them had magnamious egos that fed into this behavior.

The result was that it was standard fare for a king to include himself among the “creators” or “founders” or established precedents in antiquity. We see the behavior today among our own politicians at times. For example, Al Gore claiming he invented the Internet and pretty much every other modern invention of the 20th century ROFL!

In antiquity, these "accomplishments" included quests, conquests, building of roads, palaces, temples, cities, etc... along with the introduction of new techniques and/or celebrations.

The author of Ecclesiastes addresses this by stating in chapter 1 verse 9:

"That which has been is that which will be, And that which has been done is that which will be done. So there is nothing new under the sun."

Now pay attention because ancient Hebrew doesn't always echo well in English. The LXX. and the Vulgate render the first clauses of the two parts of the verse in both cases interrogatively, thus: "What is that which hath been? The very thing which shall be. And what is that which hath been done? The very thing which shall be done."

Understand? In the original language it's not an assertion that nothing new can ever occur on the earth and/or has never occurred on the earth. No!

It's an explicit poetic rebuke to the ungodly pride displayed by the pagan world leaders of that period with implicit meaning affecting both actions and morals for all of humanity throughout history.

And obviously the limitation here is what can be observed from a strictly human point of view as the phrase “under the sun” is used.

The author of Ecclesiastes is focused on the quest of a hard working protagonist searching to find meaning and satisfaction in life. The cycles of life are prominent. People are very busy ordering their affairs and searching for satisfaction. The survey of social classes and activities is very thorough despite the brevity of the book. One of the great appeals of Ecclesiastes is the way it touches all the bases of life.

There was no need to even reference the verse, much less misinterpret and misuse it so badly, to start a thread on comparing and constrasting the ancient Roman Constitution with the U.S. Constitution and to assert the former influenced the latter.

In fact, the topic is worthy of discussion on its own merit entirely ;).
 
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Good Morning AgeofKnowledge,

Since I woke up in a very calm, peaceful, and joyful mood this morning! I am just going to say the following two words: Thank you.:cool:
 
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this is correct...however it is also true of virtually every 'modern' government in the world today...