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Okay... I wish to be gentle... but I will say some hard things... please consider carefully... I beleive you wish to please GOD. The bible tells us not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers, The formost relationship would be marriage. YOU married an unbeliever... if that was because you didn't know better... God knows that okay. If it was because you chose to ignore God... He knows that too. What you need to do is figure out if it was a mistake or disobedience. If you disobeyed... go to your prayer closet and repent. That is admit to God you disobeyed and ask for His mercy and Grace to REDEEM the situation. If it was mistake... ask God for his mercy and GRACE to redeem the situation.
It is my opinion that you are in DANGER, Muslim religoin says to KILL christians but that doesn not mean your husband is that zealous about his religion. That said... God hates Divorce and you must be careful about the example you show as a christian woman.
I would Pray God Change your husband or cause him to leave or give you a just cause to separate yourself (like a beating) and be prepared to take action with whatever circumstance the Lord provides. Do you understand? You must be willing to preserve godly witness for Christ and let God control the circumstances of the separating of your marriage (or healing). Dear sister... if this means your husband leaves you... God will provide. If this means he Beats you... leave quickly... God will provide. IN the meantime be a sweet and gentle wife to your husband an perhaps the Lord will convert him. I will pray for you.
It is my opinion that you are in DANGER, Muslim religoin says to KILL christians but that doesn not mean your husband is that zealous about his religion. That said... God hates Divorce and you must be careful about the example you show as a christian woman.
I would Pray God Change your husband or cause him to leave or give you a just cause to separate yourself (like a beating) and be prepared to take action with whatever circumstance the Lord provides. Do you understand? You must be willing to preserve godly witness for Christ and let God control the circumstances of the separating of your marriage (or healing). Dear sister... if this means your husband leaves you... God will provide. If this means he Beats you... leave quickly... God will provide. IN the meantime be a sweet and gentle wife to your husband an perhaps the Lord will convert him. I will pray for you.
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For those of you that don't know, the Christian versus Islam problem in Indonesia is serious with violent attacks on Christian villages and churches by mobs of Muslims occurring and getting nothing but slaps on the wrists for it by the Islamic dominated government and judicial system.
Please do NOT construe this as legal advice but rather my understanding. In Indonesia, it's my understanding that divorce may only be executed before a court session: before the district court for Non-Moslems and before the religious court for Moslems. Therefore, either one of the parties wanting to divorce needs to file a divorce petition to the appropriate court.
In the district court, the legal grounds of filing for divorce have been regulated in the Marriage Law, which are, in the event one of the parties:
1. has committed adultery, is an alcoholic, is addicted to drugs, is a gambler or exhibits other vices which are difficult to cure;
2. has left the other spouse for two consecutive years, without consent and without legitimate reasons or the absence of reasons beyond his control;
3. has been sentenced to imprisonment for five (5) consecutive years or a longer period;
4. has resorted to cruelty or severe ill treatment, endangering the life of the other spouse;
5. has developed a disability or disease, preventing from fulfilling the duties of husband or wife; or
6. has irreconcilable differences.
I suppose this would fall under #6 irreconciable differences if a divorce were sought; however, an Indonesian divorce attorney would be the one to help determine that.
Some background information stated, we move along to scripture. What does the Bible say?
1 Corinthians 7 has a lot to say about marriage between believers and also marriage between a believer and a non-believer. Let's look at verses 1-15:
"Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. 3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6 I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7 I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.
8 Now to the unmarried[a] and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. 9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.
12 To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13 And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14 For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. 15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. 16 How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?"
Sister, as long as you are not being physically abused and in danger but just uncomfortable with his disapproval, you should give some real thought to these scriptures.
Please do NOT construe this as legal advice but rather my understanding. In Indonesia, it's my understanding that divorce may only be executed before a court session: before the district court for Non-Moslems and before the religious court for Moslems. Therefore, either one of the parties wanting to divorce needs to file a divorce petition to the appropriate court.
In the district court, the legal grounds of filing for divorce have been regulated in the Marriage Law, which are, in the event one of the parties:
1. has committed adultery, is an alcoholic, is addicted to drugs, is a gambler or exhibits other vices which are difficult to cure;
2. has left the other spouse for two consecutive years, without consent and without legitimate reasons or the absence of reasons beyond his control;
3. has been sentenced to imprisonment for five (5) consecutive years or a longer period;
4. has resorted to cruelty or severe ill treatment, endangering the life of the other spouse;
5. has developed a disability or disease, preventing from fulfilling the duties of husband or wife; or
6. has irreconcilable differences.
I suppose this would fall under #6 irreconciable differences if a divorce were sought; however, an Indonesian divorce attorney would be the one to help determine that.
Some background information stated, we move along to scripture. What does the Bible say?
1 Corinthians 7 has a lot to say about marriage between believers and also marriage between a believer and a non-believer. Let's look at verses 1-15:
"Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” 2 But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. 3 The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. 5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6 I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7 I wish that all of you were as I am. But each of you has your own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.
8 Now to the unmarried[a] and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. 9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.
10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 11 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife.
12 To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13 And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14 For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. 15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. 16 How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?"
Sister, as long as you are not being physically abused and in danger but just uncomfortable with his disapproval, you should give some real thought to these scriptures.
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I do not believe it is a sin because the bible tells us that if the unbeliever (muslim) is not pleased to dwell with you (as a practicing Christian) let him depart. This scripture is specifically for Christians married to unbelievers.
But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. 1Co 7:15
But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. 1Co 7:15
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thank you all..honestly he wants to leave me but he so loves me and he wants to maintain our marriage. i have been married him for 6 years. i know this is my fault. i was so young when i marry him. he just does not want me to love Jesus to much and teach my son all things about Jesus and sometimes it makes me feel so depressed and sad.
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Had a muslim friend whom had this problem with raising his son.
His wife did not want the son to be raised as muslim and prayer and so forth but he was strict and wanted a muslim school and prayers and he was very upset about it.
Muslims do beleive in old testament.
Just they beleive in Holy Quran swell and they have different views of jesus.To them he holy profet but not son of God and they have different beleifs about his death.
If you teaching your sons different things about Jesus that can cause confusion perhaps.
I know of a muslim once whom was with a shia muslim woman but he betrayed her with another whom always chased him and staked him and courted him obsessively and attempted murder on the other one and she was very loyal but she had been locked up alone for so many years.
She never even had mated with him.
He left her alone while he ran off with the other one, travelling, dinner, etc.
The other one was wealthy and holy but was disrespected and dishonoured and they stole from her.
She tried be good wife so many years but he was never there.
She was isolated, alone, could not access her money or rights or titels and community was not nice du to lies other one spread etc.
She said if you with her in any way shape or form i will leave you and never be with you again, even as friends.
Concidering they never consimated the marriage he might been using her with other one whom was her worst enemy who violated her.
Not bad enough he with her enemy but allow her enemy to violate , attempted murder, bully, slander etc her.
Maybe they were using her.
She could not stand this horrid female and decided she rather die alone and time virgin than give herself to he whom prancing around with her enemy due to death threates, bullying, stealing, slandering, violating etc.
She could not access her wealth du to bureaucracy.
Was legally hers and he , they could not touch what was in her bank.
Problem was neither could she in or with her body.
She was full burka wearing muslima and could not socialise in community or physically due to this.
She prayed 5 times a day but more with soul than with body in her personal opinion whow she prayed.
Last I heard she was concidering taking a caravan loan to move away from apartment he isolated her in and controlled and had no love or communion in it.
She lived there alone as he lived with his ....
Ofcourse she could afford a mansion if she could only access moneyin her bank but bureaucracy wanted disable her and make her be like non adult to disempower her.
Her disempowered , isolated, hated by community cause slander, violated by his horrid woman he with etc made them more empowered over her.
No money and they labelled her as mad when she tried speak of things they did to her.
They lived in luxury using her name and title while she alone, isolated in apartment and he never even made love with her in all those years.
She said she would never allow it after he with "her" and how she actually tried kill her and other things.
He not welcome near her anymore she said.
Difficult for muslim get divorse as woman but if they cheat can be immediate divorse, they take that serious.
Also if mistreat or marry someone to use them and abuse etc.
Man gets divorse no questions asked, just about.
She said she divorse him but they kept emotionally abusing her and she was alone.
The muslims at mosque were not nice or supportive to her.
So she alone and stop go there cause they friend with him and her enemy.
How horrid she could not access her money and she was really wealthy.
Legally a muslima always has right to her money but what he and the other woman did to her was wicked.
They even took her name and title.
She was treated so incredibly bad when she should been treated holy according to there law.
She could not even afford a caravan when she could not access her money but only had the "peanuts" given to her for food.
Also living alone is not good and she was living alone.
She said she prayed she would never give herself to him and want divorse him.
Imagine, so many years and he never even laid with her.
I had a couple dates with a handsome muslim man once.
He was very handsome and kind and charming.
But he had some strange woman I did not like "hanging around him".
Last time I met him one of them was there and she was jealous and awful.
I decided I dont want it or need it.
Dont want those type woman in my life nor do i want a man whom wants many wives.
Had enough drama in my life.
He would have to sign a marriage contract agreeing to what i want b4 i marry.
Such as dont be with my enemies in any way shape or form.
I had some horrid woman after me and i want universal restraining order on em.
I am reading Holy Quran now and says nothing about killing christians.
They beleive in old testament and men may not marry any woman except for muslima or christian .
Means they do not dislike christians but its individual.
Like not all muslims are bad behaved or not all christians are bad behaved.
Wrong for whole group get labelled cause of few people.
His wife did not want the son to be raised as muslim and prayer and so forth but he was strict and wanted a muslim school and prayers and he was very upset about it.
Muslims do beleive in old testament.
Just they beleive in Holy Quran swell and they have different views of jesus.To them he holy profet but not son of God and they have different beleifs about his death.
If you teaching your sons different things about Jesus that can cause confusion perhaps.
I know of a muslim once whom was with a shia muslim woman but he betrayed her with another whom always chased him and staked him and courted him obsessively and attempted murder on the other one and she was very loyal but she had been locked up alone for so many years.
She never even had mated with him.
He left her alone while he ran off with the other one, travelling, dinner, etc.
The other one was wealthy and holy but was disrespected and dishonoured and they stole from her.
She tried be good wife so many years but he was never there.
She was isolated, alone, could not access her money or rights or titels and community was not nice du to lies other one spread etc.
She said if you with her in any way shape or form i will leave you and never be with you again, even as friends.
Concidering they never consimated the marriage he might been using her with other one whom was her worst enemy who violated her.
Not bad enough he with her enemy but allow her enemy to violate , attempted murder, bully, slander etc her.
Maybe they were using her.
She could not stand this horrid female and decided she rather die alone and time virgin than give herself to he whom prancing around with her enemy due to death threates, bullying, stealing, slandering, violating etc.
She could not access her wealth du to bureaucracy.
Was legally hers and he , they could not touch what was in her bank.
Problem was neither could she in or with her body.
She was full burka wearing muslima and could not socialise in community or physically due to this.
She prayed 5 times a day but more with soul than with body in her personal opinion whow she prayed.
Last I heard she was concidering taking a caravan loan to move away from apartment he isolated her in and controlled and had no love or communion in it.
She lived there alone as he lived with his ....
Ofcourse she could afford a mansion if she could only access moneyin her bank but bureaucracy wanted disable her and make her be like non adult to disempower her.
Her disempowered , isolated, hated by community cause slander, violated by his horrid woman he with etc made them more empowered over her.
No money and they labelled her as mad when she tried speak of things they did to her.
They lived in luxury using her name and title while she alone, isolated in apartment and he never even made love with her in all those years.
She said she would never allow it after he with "her" and how she actually tried kill her and other things.
He not welcome near her anymore she said.
Difficult for muslim get divorse as woman but if they cheat can be immediate divorse, they take that serious.
Also if mistreat or marry someone to use them and abuse etc.
Man gets divorse no questions asked, just about.
She said she divorse him but they kept emotionally abusing her and she was alone.
The muslims at mosque were not nice or supportive to her.
So she alone and stop go there cause they friend with him and her enemy.
How horrid she could not access her money and she was really wealthy.
Legally a muslima always has right to her money but what he and the other woman did to her was wicked.
They even took her name and title.
She was treated so incredibly bad when she should been treated holy according to there law.
She could not even afford a caravan when she could not access her money but only had the "peanuts" given to her for food.
Also living alone is not good and she was living alone.
She said she prayed she would never give herself to him and want divorse him.
Imagine, so many years and he never even laid with her.
I had a couple dates with a handsome muslim man once.
He was very handsome and kind and charming.
But he had some strange woman I did not like "hanging around him".
Last time I met him one of them was there and she was jealous and awful.
I decided I dont want it or need it.
Dont want those type woman in my life nor do i want a man whom wants many wives.
Had enough drama in my life.
He would have to sign a marriage contract agreeing to what i want b4 i marry.
Such as dont be with my enemies in any way shape or form.
I had some horrid woman after me and i want universal restraining order on em.
I am reading Holy Quran now and says nothing about killing christians.
They beleive in old testament and men may not marry any woman except for muslima or christian .
Means they do not dislike christians but its individual.
Like not all muslims are bad behaved or not all christians are bad behaved.
Wrong for whole group get labelled cause of few people.
S
Do you have the support of other Christians there? You mentioned going to church. I would just pray for your husband that he would be drawn to Christ, and that you would be able to love him even through this conflict. If he sees Christ in you, you will be a witness to him. I know it is not quite the same as Christians and Muslims, but there are women here who are married to unbelievers who want nothing to do with God. It is very hard to live this life, but as the Scripture teaches, unless he is unfaithful, there really are no grounds for divorce. I pray that God will give you strength to endure and that he will change your husband's heart to be more receptive of the Gospel. There is always hope because with God all things are possible.
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Maybe you can simly tell your husband you want jesus to be loved,praised and followed more in your home and you want your son have a love for christ and learn these ways.
Your husband should accept this.
Do you accept he raise your son to be muslim or is that a problem for you?
Does your son have to pray five times a day and follow all the muslim ways?
If your husband and son are doing this and not you maybe that makeyou feel left out and specially if you do not beleive this is your faith.
The Muslims prophet Mohammed always praises Jesus who they call Isa sometimes as a holy prophet whom is truly good and great and will come back to earth and fight the bad who mainly may be a man and his followers whom manipulate and cheat and lie to all humanity with illusions (darn illusionists sometimes : ) ) that he will have such a grip on people with lies etc .
Its said jesus will come and people will see truth and what seemed and looked good that this man and followers did was not and jesus is the one who will reveal this to the people whom been fooled.
He will test or show testament of souls and seperates a body with sword and one see what looked bad was i think the pure soul and what looked and seemed good was really fake and was the bad and he will seperate them there was no "angel demon balance act going on there. That he is the one whom will clear up the world from this dictator who fooled all people into fakeness (they beleive this human will come) and that jesus will basicly save the world and its souls with Gods blessing as medium through God.Thats what I read.
I think the shia muslima ended up meeting people whom helped her.
Was difficult.
Also cause of the way she worked and communicated .
She appeared retarded people thought and she was very educated and intelligent in her soul to soul whispers with someone but when she spoke as human she became like she was stupid and could not communicate.And study on a level way below the level she truly on because of this and other reasons.
Also not accessing her money was awful.
But I think someone helped her take her burka off cause that was perhaps disabling and difficult and she did not know ho take it off.
She divorsed the man who used her amoung other things with his "woman".
and she met a christian man.
A true and good christian man and he was a deep and good man in his faith and soul and she was impressed and praised his goodness.
Also met friends.On internet first.Then she was introduced to his friends and also had a few from far away she met.
A muslim brother of hers encouraged her as a human that its ok if she meet christian man but only as a human (not a lion or dog ? ) lol joke.
Anyway, think things worked out .
She got custody of children which is unusual but she had another people help her.
She studied on levels far beneath her true level buuuuuut because of her "handicap" socially and verbally and so forth she could not express her true education with most.
Only some new her as very educated and good at work but she did not work with her body .
It was not nice be like retard and feel and treated that way but she knew it happened to many others children and adults and she like whispered her communictions at first.
She had some tutors and tutored but it was never documented legally.So she never had paper work on work and education nor could she communicate it outwards.
Think she met lawyers help her access her finances as she wealthy but it a process.
So she was appeared to be a bit stupid.
The christian man was deep and could see past that nonsense as were the true friends she met.
I will try find out what happened ....
Maybe you may argue about things like you not covering although he married you as christian woman.
Not sure what your problems are beside your raising of your son but just talking with your husband mat help.
He should be understanding and open to accept Jesus in your home.
I dated a muslim man but nothing happened.
Muslim men are not supposed to date really.
He had other woman around that were not nice.
I decided dont want it or need it and if he cant "keep em at bay" so to say then no....
Love to your son and best wishes for him with Christ in his life.
Your husband should accept this.
Do you accept he raise your son to be muslim or is that a problem for you?
Does your son have to pray five times a day and follow all the muslim ways?
If your husband and son are doing this and not you maybe that makeyou feel left out and specially if you do not beleive this is your faith.
The Muslims prophet Mohammed always praises Jesus who they call Isa sometimes as a holy prophet whom is truly good and great and will come back to earth and fight the bad who mainly may be a man and his followers whom manipulate and cheat and lie to all humanity with illusions (darn illusionists sometimes : ) ) that he will have such a grip on people with lies etc .
Its said jesus will come and people will see truth and what seemed and looked good that this man and followers did was not and jesus is the one who will reveal this to the people whom been fooled.
He will test or show testament of souls and seperates a body with sword and one see what looked bad was i think the pure soul and what looked and seemed good was really fake and was the bad and he will seperate them there was no "angel demon balance act going on there. That he is the one whom will clear up the world from this dictator who fooled all people into fakeness (they beleive this human will come) and that jesus will basicly save the world and its souls with Gods blessing as medium through God.Thats what I read.
I think the shia muslima ended up meeting people whom helped her.
Was difficult.
Also cause of the way she worked and communicated .
She appeared retarded people thought and she was very educated and intelligent in her soul to soul whispers with someone but when she spoke as human she became like she was stupid and could not communicate.And study on a level way below the level she truly on because of this and other reasons.
Also not accessing her money was awful.
But I think someone helped her take her burka off cause that was perhaps disabling and difficult and she did not know ho take it off.
She divorsed the man who used her amoung other things with his "woman".
and she met a christian man.
A true and good christian man and he was a deep and good man in his faith and soul and she was impressed and praised his goodness.
Also met friends.On internet first.Then she was introduced to his friends and also had a few from far away she met.
A muslim brother of hers encouraged her as a human that its ok if she meet christian man but only as a human (not a lion or dog ? ) lol joke.
Anyway, think things worked out .
She got custody of children which is unusual but she had another people help her.
She studied on levels far beneath her true level buuuuuut because of her "handicap" socially and verbally and so forth she could not express her true education with most.
Only some new her as very educated and good at work but she did not work with her body .
It was not nice be like retard and feel and treated that way but she knew it happened to many others children and adults and she like whispered her communictions at first.
She had some tutors and tutored but it was never documented legally.So she never had paper work on work and education nor could she communicate it outwards.
Think she met lawyers help her access her finances as she wealthy but it a process.
So she was appeared to be a bit stupid.
The christian man was deep and could see past that nonsense as were the true friends she met.
I will try find out what happened ....
Maybe you may argue about things like you not covering although he married you as christian woman.
Not sure what your problems are beside your raising of your son but just talking with your husband mat help.
He should be understanding and open to accept Jesus in your home.
I dated a muslim man but nothing happened.
Muslim men are not supposed to date really.
He had other woman around that were not nice.
I decided dont want it or need it and if he cant "keep em at bay" so to say then no....
Love to your son and best wishes for him with Christ in his life.