Do not Forbid Speaking in Tongues

[Aliciaforjesus]

1Cor.14:39 Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues.

The word says not forbid speaking in tongues?

How can people choose to say that tongues are of the devil?

How can we choose to believe only parts of the word, isn't Jesus the same yesturday, today and forever!

The word says that speaking in tongues is just one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Not everybody speaks in tongues, some people can get other gifts.

1 Cor.14:1-5 Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.

For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men.

He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church.

I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may recieve edification.

 

[Thaddaeus]

Amen To this post , I am not saying I believe that tongues are the works of the devil only showing you how they preach this false doctrine :

1co 13:8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.1co 13:9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.1co 13:10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

they believe that verse 8 has already come to pass even though verse 10 tells us when this come to pass. this cannot be when he was born as a babe, for tongues and prophecy was in acts after He was born this can not be at pentecost again because tongues and prophecy was in the bible after pentecost. some will tells us that the prefect one was the Word of God when the bible was writen then there was no need for thins in part, but this can't be for it says And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,

this has to be when he comes on The day of the Lord as in Joel 2 And acts 2.

Ac 2:16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;Ac 2:17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:Ac 2:18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:Ac 2:19And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:Ac 2:20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:Ac 2:21And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

 

[Aliciaforjesus]

Yes, I agree with your words!
Many false prophets will also arise, during this time!
I say let them go first!

 

[MahogonySnail]

amen, I know tongues is still around today because I speak it. And it has been scientifically shown that tongues is not merely a psychological phenomena or in the mind because it is shown that when someone speaks in tongues their part of the brain responsible for speech, language etc is bypassed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZbQBajYnEc

 

[Baruch]

Amen To this post , I am not saying I believe that tongues are the works of the devil only showing you how they preach this false doctrine :

1co 13:8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.1co 13:9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.1co 13:10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

they believe that verse 8 has already come to pass even though verse 10 tells us when this come to pass. this cannot be when he was born as a babe, for tongues and prophecy was in acts after He was born this can not be at pentecost again because tongues and prophecy was in the bible after pentecost. some will tells us that the prefect one was the Word of God when the bible was writen then there was no need for thins in part, but this can't be for it says And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,

this has to be when he comes on The day of the Lord as in Joel 2 And acts 2.

Ac 2:16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;Ac 2:17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:Ac 2:18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:Ac 2:19And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:Ac 2:20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:Ac 2:21And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Tongues that comes without interpretation can be of the devil since it was already in the world before the Gospel came... especially if it came by preaching another baptism of the Holy Spirit that comes with evidence of tongues which is a departure from the faith as far as the administration of the gift.

Isaiah 8:19And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

1 Corinthians 12:4Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 12For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

One Spirit... one baptism...

Ephesians 4: 4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Believers are called to be alert and aware of other spirits that may come into the worship place to take their eyes off of Jesus to it moving here and there, being felt in the worship place. The spirit of error will change their testimony in when they were saved and thus alluding to the supernatural event as proof as to how they were saved, thus preaching another spirit to receive.

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 7Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

Is there a Biblical tongues? Yes as it should come with interpretation as God would not bury a talent or a gift let alone mimick a tongue found already in the world which is gibberish since we are called to stand apart from the world and thus as a witness of Him saving voodooists and mediums and anyone else out of the occults, thus the practises in the worship place will not mirror theirs. They will not speak as the world speak nor hear as the world hears so there is no such thing as a prayer language when that gift of tongue is to be taken with the gift of interpretation.

1 Corinthians 14:21In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 23If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? 24But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: 25And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

As the NT does list women as prohesying in the mission field or in the homes they own, in the assembly is perhaps the biggest discernment given about how the Biblical tongues are distributed for the women are under the commandment of the Lord not to speak and thus why would God oppose himself by manifesting tongues in women that He has commanded to be silent? This should be the greatest discernment about for women if they have the Biblical gift of tongues or not.

1 Corinthians 14: 32And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. 34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 36What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 37If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

Since we have His Word, and the falling away of the faith is happening, should we allow this line of discernment continue without offering it for women to consider and take to Jesus in prayer on their tongues?

1 Corinthians 14:39Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. 40Let all things be done decently and in order.

And yet... things are not in order nor done decently in regards to tongues.

So, yes.. the women will prophesy... in the mission fields..or in their homes where they are holding their gathering... but the assembly.. where men are to submit to Christ in being leaders... God would manifest those gifts appropriately and not be seen as a hypocrit... for He is not. And so for such confusion and false teachings that are ut there as well as false spirits, women that speak in tongues should take the matter to Jesus in prayer because scriptures should given them enough paused that they may be deceived and know it not.

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

More than likely, that prophesy in Joel can be applied to the 144,000 witnesses after the rapture as well. And even if it is a hidden double prophecy, it spoke of the daughters prophesying... not in regards to speaking in tongues.

And since I do not know the circumstances on how women got tongues, I can only show my concern by the scriptures and hopefully, they love Jesus more than tongues to put it away if how they got it and the way they are using it without interpretation is being a false witness of Him and the Gospel of Jesus Christ.... for blessed are they that believe without seeing Him nor signs and wonders, and yet believe anyway.

John 20:28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God. 29Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. 30And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

And why were they not written? Because the Gospel isn't about signs for us to be hyping them about... the Gospel is about the risen Saviour so blessed are they that have not seen Him nor any signs and wonders... and yet believe....... as signs are for unbelievers.. not for believers to seek after, but signs would follow the believers... for the unbelievers.

Anyway, I seek not to condemn, but to raise an awareness that scripturally speaking, there is cause for alarm. Not all tongues are of the devil, but the tongues that are being gained not by way of Jesus Christ, but by another spirit coming over them apart from the time of salvation... as it conveniently comes without interpretation.... is something scriptures calls to test that spirit and if it changes one's testimony in regards to the faith.. then it is the spirit of error. Biblical tongues has to come with interpretation... for if Jesus gave the parable of a man burying his talent and frowned on it, then why would God give a gift and bury it as well? Time to wake up.

yeah... tongues are real.. yeah.. other spirits are real too.. but no.. we should not just take everything that happened to us supernaturally to be of God. Look where it is leading us... look at what we are saying and testifying of... the faith in Jesus Christ... or signs and wonders as proof of salvation? Who is the Gospel ... or which is the Gospel? You cannot serve both.

 

[MahogonySnail]

There is a tongues of the devil etc but it is usually seen to be harsh gibberish or muttering whereas I find in general christian tongues are peaceful, sweet, and do sound like a language. I've seen both at the same time and it is very very unlikely that a peaceable lover and believer in Jesus who speaks in tongues is using devil tongues. Just as it is unlikely that an angry , hateful violent person speaking in tongues is of the Spirit.

Paul gave the test of who is speaking by the Spirit and who isn't and it is relatively simple:

1Co 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says Jesus is a curse, and that no one can say that Jesus is Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.

So yes I speak in tongues following a subsequent experience of the Spirit (not at conversion) and also say Jesus is Lord, so how dare anyone claim it is of the devil or of another spirit may Jesus rebuke you if anyone says that.

 

[iwant2serve]

Tongues are not of the devil,yet many don't use tongues as the Bible says. Tongues are for self edificationand if used in the wrong manner then any right becomes wrong.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Yes, there's many possible uses of tongues. What some don't realise is that it is not an either/or thing. Some blame people who speak in tongues for using it privately , some believe it should only be used publically and vice versa. These people usually have no experience with tongues themselves so they don't have a clue what they are talking about. But it's a very versatile gift. In short tongues can be used in prayer, preaching, edification and prophesy. And in these, both privately and publically. Perhaps that's why Paul said he thanked God he spoke in tongues more than them all because it was so useful. I try to organise some of the categories here:





Private:



Without interpretation:

• *self edification (increases faith in the believer when super natural things occur). Helps them be open and receive and walk in the other spiritual gifts eg prophecy.
• *prayer language (helps direct specific prayers and thoughts to God by the Holy Spirit).
• *A symptom of being filled with the Spirit - no real reason or purpose, it just happens.

With interpretation:

• *Edifies not only the soul but also the mind.
• *May reveal the heart of God on a matter, functions as personal or private prophesy or revelation that is revealed to the natural mind.

Public:



Without interpretation:

• *A sign to unbelievers, a form of judgement or chastisement (Isa 28:11).
• *preaching or evangelism in the native tongue that is not naturally acquired.
• *As a prayer language for another person. i.e. praying for someone in their native language or language they can understand but you can't.

With interpretation:

• *Edification of the church body, is equivalent to prophecy. or
• *Revelation of God's will, in prophecy.

Obviously the context in which tongues is used is important. Just as it is wrong to use tongues in church loudly without interpretation as an inspired message to the church, it is also wrong to use tongues for evangelism if your tongues is a personal prayer to God. We can know the purpose and timing of the different uses of tongues simply by "as the Spirit leads".

 

[Baruch]

If tongue speaker speak the way the world speak......it is time to discern

If those same tongue speaker are preaching another baptism of the Holy Spirit that comes with evidence of tongues...it is time to discern.

If you got this gift of speaking in tongues by hanging around those believers that preach and practises those things... it is time to discern.

I don't care if everybody is doing it. I don't care if a whole string of churches are doing it.... it is time to discern by the scriptures all things related to tongues in regard to our faith.

I had kept an open mind through the years in spite of the neglect of the order of tongues, but I have become alarmed in regards to that deviation from the faith in order for people to get those tongues when Paul, led by the Holy Spirit, was exhorting the gift of prophesy as the be all and end all of all spiritual gifts to seek as he even went into downplaying tongues so much that he had to point out that he was not forbidding tongue, but emphasizing which gift is prized above all to be sought and the order of the operation of the gifts in its proper use... but now.. no.. tongues is the be all and end all of all gifts and guess what? Another baptism of the Holy Spirit is required for anyone to get this tongues. RED FLAG!

So all I am asking anyone to do.. is spot check yourself in regards to your faith.

Maybe you have the gift of tongues and maybe you don't. Maybe you have the gift of tongues but your words and testimony is not aligning in regards to our faith and thus as God calls the seven churches in Revelation to spot check themselves, then it is best to start pruning with the Lord's help what words you all are saying in regards to this gift of tongue you claim you have from the Lord... because the extras you ae saying... makes me want to show my concern and exhortation to re-examine yourselves in the faith because believers can be taken in by signs and wonders that it is possible to deceive the very elect so don't think for one moment that it cannot happen to you. Believers were instructed to avoid false spirits and false prophets by narrowing the way back to the straight gate... that means the Holy Spirit does not share in the spotlight in the worship service when He is in us leading us to testify of the Son to glorify the Son and when we come to worship God the Father... we do so through the Son IN spirit and IN truth as the name of Jesus is above every other name.. and that means no other name is lifted even for a moment... not even the name of the Holy Spirit for He is God in us seeking to glorify the Son.. and as faithful witnesses.. so shall we be doing if we are led by the Spirit of God with our eyes on our first love. Period.

Time to discern. That is all I can ask is take it to Jesus in prayer.