God TV co-founder Rory Alec removed from position for adultry.

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Agricola

Senior Member
Dec 10, 2012
2,638
88
48
#1
Another one bites the dust, fallen into the pit of fame, wealth and sex.

GodTV is awful, I watched it a few times then vowed never to watch anything on that channel again. It is just about the money, One time I caught the start of an interesting seminar, then low and behold after 15 minutes the programme ends with a "You can hear the rest of this message and seminar if you call this number now!" only $100 or something stupid.

This is a good article on what I am talking about, from David Robinson on Christianity Today.
David Robertson: The real problem with God TV is not Rory Alec's 'moral failure' | Christian News on Christian Today

I have posted the whole thing below.

The news that God TV co-founder Rory Alec has been suspended from his post as presenter and head of the organisation, because of 'moral failure' has come as a shock to some in the Christian world. Others have a resigned sense of 'oh no, here we go again', while still others are quick to point out that we are all sinners and we should pray for and extend the grace of God to Rory and Wendy. All of these reactions are understandable but I would like to suggest that there is a danger that we won't see the wood for the trees. The problem here is not primarily the adultery of one man, or the schadenfreude that critics of God TV might delight in. The problem goes much deeper and is something that the Church in the West really needs to get hold of.


I am not surprised at all by Rory's 'indiscretion' – nor by the continual account of Christian CEOs or celebrity mega pastors being caught with either their hand in the till or their bodies in another's bed. Why? Because whenever I have watched God TV, what comes across to me is that it is primarily about money and power. And when you have those two at the centre it's not long before the third part of that particular unholy trinity, sex, rears its ugly head.

Despite the fact that there were some occasional good things on it, I had to stop watching God TV because I used to get so depressed and angry. I have spent a great deal of time helping people whose faith, though initially boosted and encouraged by some of what they saw, eventually was battered, bruised and severely damaged by the theology and practices espoused on much of God TV. Take the example of so called 'Missions' weeks. They were nothing of the sort. They were purely and entirely about raising money. Now I realise that Rory and Wendy would tell us that it was about reaching one billion souls. That was hyperbolic sales talk, confusing the possibility that God TV "could" be seen on several million TV sets, with the idea that they "would" and that then all would believe. The manipulation, sales talk and constant pleading for money "for the work of the kingdom" was nauseating.


And the power. I have yet to see a God TV programmewhich extolled the virtues of weakness. Everything was about strength and power. Power-dressed shiny happy people beamed out of our TV screens a picture of wealth, health and success. Continually we were assured that somewhere out there was someone called Marge who had just been healed of cancer, or Tom whose marriage was about to be restored, or Dave whose business had just been boosted because of the cheque he wrote. There was nothing about Bill who had just lost his job, Susan whose daughter had just died, or Tim who went bankrupt after he mortgaged his house in order to give money to God TV.

I even watched complete charlatans like Todd Bentley kick a woman in the face because 'the Holy Spirit told him to' and then pronounce that he had raised several people from the dead – however he could not name them because of 'patient confidentiality'! He too of course fell into the money, power and sex trap – before GodTV, 'graciously restored' him and gave him yet another platform for his aberrations. And yet I know churches in the UK who were so desperate to 'catch the anointing' that they bought into all of this guff. This kind of TV is of more use to the New Atheist movement than it is to the kingdom of Jesus Christ.


After speaking at CLAN (the largest charismatic conference in Scotland), I was interviewed by God TV. The producer told me that he loved the interview but that there was no way it would ever be broadcast. When I asked why, his answer revealed a great deal about God TV: "Wendy wouldn't like it". God TV was not about what God wanted, or what the Church needed. It was the Rory and Wendy show, and the show of all those tele-evangelists who were wealthy enough to buy into it. The language was always hyper spiritual, the onstage hysteria real, but behind the scenes there were the usual power games and struggles associated with secular corporations.


And therein lies the problem. The Church is not a corporation. Nor is it an entertainment or an advertising agency. Godliness is not a way to get wealthy. Or famous. Or to have your own 'ministry'. The Church is to be the pillar and ground of the truth. Much of modern corporate Christianity has become pillarless and groundless. As a result it has also become brainless, banal and spiritually bankrupt. And it is certainly not harmless. I was visited this week by a friend who has just returned from six weeks real mission work among the poor in Africa.

In some of these really poor countries, the world of corporate, commercialised Christianity, imported from the wealthy West, has taken root. There are mega pastors selling holy water for $1000, stealing money from the old, the sick and the poor, in order to pay for their mega mansions and luxury cars. The problem with God TV is not the moral failure of Rory's adultery. It is the moral failure of associating the Good News of Jesus to the poor with the prosperity gospel and health and wealth blasphemy of Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn and Joyce Meyer.


When I write like this the objection immediately comes. Don't be so harsh and hard. Why are you speaking against a brother and sister like this? How is that like Christ? Well – did not Jesus call the religious hypocrites of his day "white-washed tombs, twice dead"? Did not Paul tell the Galatian false teachers to go the whole way and emasculate themselves?! I have a genuine concern for Wendy – as I watched the cruelty of her live 'revival alert' which was much more like a Dr Phil confessional, I was so saddened for that betrayed woman. And angry with the people who continue to feed the illusion that she is the anointed one to save a billion souls.

At best it is delusional, at worst it is a horrible blasphemy to have an American 'prophetess' screaming down the phone at her that the Lord told her directly that the endtime harvest was coming through Wendy. And it is oh so cruel. Far crueller than my words.


But some will say – "It has helped me...God spoke to me through it." I don't doubt that. Poison is always far more effective when coated in sugar.


Some will warn me "Don't criticise the work of the Holy Spirit". I totally agree. But is it not a false assumption to declare that everything that claims to be of the Spirit is of the Spirit? Is it not wrong to attribute the work of the Spirit to the delusions and manipulations of man? We are to test the spirits. And how do we test? If they glorify Christ, speak according to the Word of God and exhibit the fruit of the Spirit.


Rory Alec in his statement says that we should not look at him, but look at Christ. But TV says "look at me". This is not to say that TV cannot be used as a medium to proclaim the Gospel. There are Christian TV stations that do a good job. But it is a medium that it is very difficult to use. The Christian evangelist, preacher, TV personality must be someone whose aim is to point away from themselves and towards Jesus Christ – and not just when we have a 'moral failure'.

We exist to serve Christ and His Church. They do not exist to serve us. Like John the Baptist we declare, "He must increase, I must decrease". Ironically even as I write this I am listening to a preacher on God TV tell us "no, no, no – he wants us to increase!"


The simple truth that we need to grasp is this: The six billion souls will be reached, not through the slick marketing, self-promoting, mega powerful corporations; nor through the hysterical delusions and manipulation of self-appointed 'apostolic-prophetic' ministries, but rather through hundreds of thousands of local churches humbly and lovingly proclaiming and living Christ in local communities, with the Word of God, by the Spirit of God, through the people of God. It's basic Christianity!


David Robertson is Moderator Designate of the Free Church of Scotland, and director of Solas CPC.
 
K

kennethcadwell

Guest
#2
People who want to here a person preach should be allowed to hear the whole sermon with out paying for it.
Freely you have been given, freely you should give.

I have a big problem with the whole pay to hear preach preachers.

The other thing is I don't have a problem with a preacher who writes a book, or a study guide about their opinions on things in the bible like prophecies and sales them for money. The issue I do have is when they make tons of money, and live in high dollar houses, expensive cars, planes and boats, and a lot of materialistic things. All when so many in the world today are homeless, starving, and living in poverty.
The bible says to esteem others, and help others more than self.
 

jogoldie

Senior Member
Mar 20, 2014
1,616
48
48
#3
People who want to here a person preach should be allowed to hear the whole sermon with out paying for it.
Freely you have been given, freely you should give.

I have a big problem with the whole pay to hear preach preachers.

The other thing is I don't have a problem with a preacher who writes a book, or a study guide about their opinions on things in the bible like prophecies and sales them for money. The issue I do have is when they make tons of money, and live in high dollar houses, expensive cars, planes and boats, and a lot of materialistic things. All when so many in the world today are homeless, starving, and living in poverty.
The bible says to esteem others, and help others more than self.
Well put brother..........
 
M

MadParrotWoman

Guest
#4
Another one bites the dust, fallen into the pit of fame, wealth and sex.

GodTV is awful, I watched it a few times then vowed never to watch anything on that channel again. It is just about the money, One time I caught the start of an interesting seminar, then low and behold after 15 minutes the programme ends with a "You can hear the rest of this message and seminar if you call this number now!" only $100 or something stupid.

This is a good article on what I am talking about, from David Robinson on Christianity Today.
David Robertson: The real problem with God TV is not Rory Alec's 'moral failure' | Christian News on Christian Today

I have posted the whole thing below.

The news that God TV co-founder Rory Alec has been suspended from his post as presenter and head of the organisation, because of 'moral failure' has come as a shock to some in the Christian world. Others have a resigned sense of 'oh no, here we go again', while still others are quick to point out that we are all sinners and we should pray for and extend the grace of God to Rory and Wendy. All of these reactions are understandable but I would like to suggest that there is a danger that we won't see the wood for the trees. The problem here is not primarily the adultery of one man, or the schadenfreude that critics of God TV might delight in. The problem goes much deeper and is something that the Church in the West really needs to get hold of.


I am not surprised at all by Rory's 'indiscretion' – nor by the continual account of Christian CEOs or celebrity mega pastors being caught with either their hand in the till or their bodies in another's bed. Why? Because whenever I have watched God TV, what comes across to me is that it is primarily about money and power. And when you have those two at the centre it's not long before the third part of that particular unholy trinity, sex, rears its ugly head.

Despite the fact that there were some occasional good things on it, I had to stop watching God TV because I used to get so depressed and angry. I have spent a great deal of time helping people whose faith, though initially boosted and encouraged by some of what they saw, eventually was battered, bruised and severely damaged by the theology and practices espoused on much of God TV. Take the example of so called 'Missions' weeks. They were nothing of the sort. They were purely and entirely about raising money. Now I realise that Rory and Wendy would tell us that it was about reaching one billion souls. That was hyperbolic sales talk, confusing the possibility that God TV "could" be seen on several million TV sets, with the idea that they "would" and that then all would believe. The manipulation, sales talk and constant pleading for money "for the work of the kingdom" was nauseating.


And the power. I have yet to see a God TV programmewhich extolled the virtues of weakness. Everything was about strength and power. Power-dressed shiny happy people beamed out of our TV screens a picture of wealth, health and success. Continually we were assured that somewhere out there was someone called Marge who had just been healed of cancer, or Tom whose marriage was about to be restored, or Dave whose business had just been boosted because of the cheque he wrote. There was nothing about Bill who had just lost his job, Susan whose daughter had just died, or Tim who went bankrupt after he mortgaged his house in order to give money to God TV.

I even watched complete charlatans like Todd Bentley kick a woman in the face because 'the Holy Spirit told him to' and then pronounce that he had raised several people from the dead – however he could not name them because of 'patient confidentiality'! He too of course fell into the money, power and sex trap – before GodTV, 'graciously restored' him and gave him yet another platform for his aberrations. And yet I know churches in the UK who were so desperate to 'catch the anointing' that they bought into all of this guff. This kind of TV is of more use to the New Atheist movement than it is to the kingdom of Jesus Christ.


After speaking at CLAN (the largest charismatic conference in Scotland), I was interviewed by God TV. The producer told me that he loved the interview but that there was no way it would ever be broadcast. When I asked why, his answer revealed a great deal about God TV: "Wendy wouldn't like it". God TV was not about what God wanted, or what the Church needed. It was the Rory and Wendy show, and the show of all those tele-evangelists who were wealthy enough to buy into it. The language was always hyper spiritual, the onstage hysteria real, but behind the scenes there were the usual power games and struggles associated with secular corporations.


And therein lies the problem. The Church is not a corporation. Nor is it an entertainment or an advertising agency. Godliness is not a way to get wealthy. Or famous. Or to have your own 'ministry'. The Church is to be the pillar and ground of the truth. Much of modern corporate Christianity has become pillarless and groundless. As a result it has also become brainless, banal and spiritually bankrupt. And it is certainly not harmless. I was visited this week by a friend who has just returned from six weeks real mission work among the poor in Africa.

In some of these really poor countries, the world of corporate, commercialised Christianity, imported from the wealthy West, has taken root. There are mega pastors selling holy water for $1000, stealing money from the old, the sick and the poor, in order to pay for their mega mansions and luxury cars. The problem with God TV is not the moral failure of Rory's adultery. It is the moral failure of associating the Good News of Jesus to the poor with the prosperity gospel and health and wealth blasphemy of Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn and Joyce Meyer.


When I write like this the objection immediately comes. Don't be so harsh and hard. Why are you speaking against a brother and sister like this? How is that like Christ? Well – did not Jesus call the religious hypocrites of his day "white-washed tombs, twice dead"? Did not Paul tell the Galatian false teachers to go the whole way and emasculate themselves?! I have a genuine concern for Wendy – as I watched the cruelty of her live 'revival alert' which was much more like a Dr Phil confessional, I was so saddened for that betrayed woman. And angry with the people who continue to feed the illusion that she is the anointed one to save a billion souls.

At best it is delusional, at worst it is a horrible blasphemy to have an American 'prophetess' screaming down the phone at her that the Lord told her directly that the endtime harvest was coming through Wendy. And it is oh so cruel. Far crueller than my words.


But some will say – "It has helped me...God spoke to me through it." I don't doubt that. Poison is always far more effective when coated in sugar.


Some will warn me "Don't criticise the work of the Holy Spirit". I totally agree. But is it not a false assumption to declare that everything that claims to be of the Spirit is of the Spirit? Is it not wrong to attribute the work of the Spirit to the delusions and manipulations of man? We are to test the spirits. And how do we test? If they glorify Christ, speak according to the Word of God and exhibit the fruit of the Spirit.


Rory Alec in his statement says that we should not look at him, but look at Christ. But TV says "look at me". This is not to say that TV cannot be used as a medium to proclaim the Gospel. There are Christian TV stations that do a good job. But it is a medium that it is very difficult to use. The Christian evangelist, preacher, TV personality must be someone whose aim is to point away from themselves and towards Jesus Christ – and not just when we have a 'moral failure'.

We exist to serve Christ and His Church. They do not exist to serve us. Like John the Baptist we declare, "He must increase, I must decrease". Ironically even as I write this I am listening to a preacher on God TV tell us "no, no, no – he wants us to increase!"


The simple truth that we need to grasp is this: The six billion souls will be reached, not through the slick marketing, self-promoting, mega powerful corporations; nor through the hysterical delusions and manipulation of self-appointed 'apostolic-prophetic' ministries, but rather through hundreds of thousands of local churches humbly and lovingly proclaiming and living Christ in local communities, with the Word of God, by the Spirit of God, through the people of God. It's basic Christianity!


David Robertson is Moderator Designate of the Free Church of Scotland, and director of Solas CPC.
This is a well written and thought provoking post.

God TV had recently secured a venue here in my home city, I, along with a friend went to the anointing celebration for a prayer revival centre, it was a good night. Although for me God TV is a relatively new discovery I became sceptical very quickly. I was especially sceptical of their guest Benny Hinn. A quick look on youtube confirmed my suspicions about him. Although I do like both Wendy and Rory the whole thing seems to me to be too focused on money. Of course running God TV must cost a small fortune but it just doesn't ring right with me somehow. My gut instinct tells me to leave well alone and I have done so. I prefer Christian radio tbh.

Having said all this I was and am very sorry to hear about the break-up of Rory and Wendy's marriage - it is very sad and I do hope they work things out. I think we need to pray for this couple.
 

skipp

Senior Member
Mar 6, 2014
654
7
0
#5
When I was younger my dad watched TBN constantly. As a result any burgeoning faith that I might have had was immediately squashed. I was very cynical about Christianity and couldn't take it seriously at all. The outside world looks at these people and they see charaltons and crooks and weirdos. They see Christians falling for this stuff and they think that Christians are gullible and that Christianity is a con game. This type of thing does far more damage to Christianity than anything else. When people try to justify it by saying that it could at least be saving souls they don't stop and think that it's probably turning even more people away from the faith.
 
M

MadParrotWoman

Guest
#6
Actually, didn't Rory Alec resign?
 
T

Tintin

Guest
#7
I don't know anything about this man and I know little about GodTV but I've watched a few hours here and there and heard some excellent and rich (as in meaty) biblical messages. None of the prosperity gospel bull and none of this 'send us your money' bull either.
 

Agricola

Senior Member
Dec 10, 2012
2,638
88
48
#8
Yes there can be some little gold nuggets, but you have to pan through a lot of mud and filth to find them.
 
Mar 21, 2011
1,515
16
0
#9
We live in an age, where most of these stuff should be delivered at very low cost via the internet.
I understand budgets for ministries, but it's pretty clear to most of us regular people that Christianity is Big Business for a select few. A big pay day.

You know like Jesus, when he lived in those big houses and had an MBA.

But no, he was homeless, penniless and survived on what people gave him. He had no need for the 'world' that was offered to him by Satan that time.