Hebrews 5: Justification from Condemnation through Christ Jesus...Grammar Study

[cfultz3]

Ariel,

how in the world do you get ignorant to mean willfully ignorant and faithless? -- Do not some, through freewill, choose not to know of God's ways? They in the wildereness choose not to be faithful to His Voice, and by such they were unknowing of God's ways in their faithlessness.

ignorant means they did not know that in their blindness they did not see. -- it is those who did not hearken from God's Voice who is being spoken about. They, of their own choice, did not desire to hear God's will. So yes, in their refusal to know God in their thinking they fell, inasmuch as we would fall if we refuse God His place in our thinking.


Paul/Saul did not willing sin, he did it out of ignorance because he was at the time blind to the truth of the Gospel of Christ as so many in the world is blind to the gospel but teach and follow a false Christ and False gospel. --Paul, not knowing God's will yet, did those things he mentioned in willful ignorance, seeing that at that time He was in willful rebellion. They who choose to sin, choose to sin willfully (besides those done out of ignorance, but still, even those sins of ignorance needed a sarcfice).

Yes the Law is Love and by faith we do establish the Law of the Spirit and yes its not JUST Faith alone.

It involves diligently adding to your faith, knowledge (thus dispelling ignorance), virtue, self control, perserverence, brotherly kindness and THEN LOVE. not love as the world teaches but as GOD teaches. LOVE.

ignorance is not to willing, it is to be blind and not have added to your faith knowledge, virtue and self control. Just the first three steps that God requires we walk with Him towards our upward calling. --The ignorance I speak of is: "the willful hardening of the heart towards God's spoken will". One cannot know God's will if one is stubborn to it by choice. And that is willful ignorance and is not a dark saying my sister. What a word means to one has a different spectrum to another.

Ignorance is not brought about by faithlessness, its brought about by lack of knowledge. -- Ignorance, my sister, is the very definition of : lack of knowledge. There is a lack of knowledge by one's will not to know. Faithlessness, by definiton, means 'to be unfaithful' and if we go back to Hebews 3 and 4, we will see that by them not being faithful to His Voice, then by their faithlessness, they did not come to know His will and thuse was ignorant of it.

according to the Law Paul was blameless.

when people wander away the problem is not a lack of faith but a lack of diligence to add to the faith God placed in their hearts already. too often the roots are too shallow and the heart too rocky. -- I agree. Unfaithfulness does lead one away. So, let us all remain faithful to His Voice so that we do not become ignorant of His will, and by such abandon Him.

 

[Mediate]

These little studies are really good!! Thanks cfultz 3

It's nice to see the hebrew and get a proper translation instead of KJV

 

[cfultz3]

Thank you for the encouragement. The tense of a verb really does make a difference.

 

[cfultz3]

Heb 5:10 προσαγορευθειςG4316 V-APP-NSM - (having been addressed as (to call by a name)) υποG5259 PREP - (by (agent)) τουG3588 T-GSM θεουG2316 N-GSM - (the God) αρχιερευςG749 N-NSM - (High Preist) καταG2596 PREP - (according to) τηνG3588 T-ASF ταξινG5010 N-ASF - (the order (succession)) μελχισεδεκG3198 N-PRI - (Melchisedek's)

Heb 5:10 (continuation of verse 9) having been addressed (to call by a name) by (agent) God as 'High Priest according to Melchisedek's order'.

KJV Heb 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

Notes:

addressed = to salute. God, in making an oath, acknowledged the Son when He greeted Him as "High Priest" forevermore (Psa 110:4). What does this verse mean: God accepted His sacrifice of Himself as an everlasting appeasement and that He and He alone forevermore is the only One who can approach God for the sin's of the people. This being so, as it was under the regulations of the priestly laws, we are to bring our sacrifices of repentance (not actual animals but real regrets) to our High Priest of God's temple in Heaven. And He as a faithful High Priest will present our sacrifice (His blood) to God and forgiveness, as it was under the Law, is obtained. But, there is no forgiveness unless we approach our High Priest, seeing that it is the high priest's duty to perform sacrifices according to the Law. So, in confession of sin, go to Him as your High Priest and He on His Throne of Grace will grant forgiveness.

 

[cfultz3]

Heb 5:11 περιG4012 PREP - (as concerning) ουG3739 R-GSM - (whom) πολυςG4183 A-NSM - (much) ημινG1473 P-1DP - (we have) ολογοςG3056 N-NSM - (discourse) καιG2532 CONJ - (but) δυσερμηνευτοςG1421 A-NSM - (difficult to explain) λεγεινG3004 V-PAN - (to explain is) επειG1893 CONJ - (since) νωθροιG3576 A-NPM - (sluggish) γεγονατεG1096 V-2RAI-2P - (you* had become) ταιςG3588 T-DPF ακοαιςG189 N-DPF - (unto things heard)

Heb 5:11 As concerning whom (Melchizedek) we have much discourse, but to explain is difficult since you* had become sluggish to things heard.

KJV Heb 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.


Notes:

None

 

[GreenNnice]

how in the world do you get ignorant to mean willfully ignorant and faithless?

ignorant means they did not know that in their blindness they did not see. Paul/Saul did not willing sin, he did it out of ignorance because he was at the time blind to the truth of the Gospel of Christ as so many in the world is blind to the gospel but teach and follow a false Christ and False gospel.

Yes the Law is Love and by faith we do establish the Law of the Spirit and yes its not JUST Faith alone.

It involves diligently adding to your faith, knowledge (thus dispelling ignorance), virtue, self control, perserverence, brotherly kindness and THEN LOVE. not love as the world teaches but as GOD teaches. LOVE.

ignorance is not to willing, it is to be blind and not have added to your faith knowledge, virtue and self control. Just the first three steps that God requires we walk with Him towards our upward calling.

Ignorance is not brought about by faithlessness, its brought about by lack of knowledge.

according to the Law Paul was blameless.

when people wander away the problem is not a lack of faith but a lack of diligence to add to the faith God placed in their hearts already. too often the roots are too shallow and the heart too rocky.

Anariel, your questions are good, God bless your good teaching from Him.

Mediate - 'like'
The Lord leads, a busy Sunday Cee, God bless this work , great words, our ears and heart knows right and our head should follow,and will sigue He in us leading-edge.

 

[cfultz3]

Heb 5:12 καιG2532 CONJ - (when) γαρG1063 CONJ - (seeing that) οφειλοντεςG3784 V-PAP-NPM - (you* ought) ειναιG1510 V-PAN - (to be) διδασκαλοιG1320 N-NPM - (teachers) διαG1223 PREP - (at) τονG3588 T-ASM χρονονG5550 N-ASM - (this time) παλινG3825 ADV - (again) χρειανG5532 N-ASF - (a need) εχετεG2192 V-PAI-2P - (you* have) τουG3588 T-GSN - (of Him (Holy Spirit)) διδασκεινG1321 V-PAN - (to teach) υμαςG4771 P-2AP - (you*) τιναG5101 I-NPN - (what...are) ταG3588 T-NPN στοιχειαG4747 N-NPN - (those principles) τηςG3588 T-GSF αρχηςG746 N-GSF - (of the beginning) τωνG3588 T-GPN λογιωνG3051 N-GPN - (of the oracles) τουG3588 T-GSM θεουG2316 N-GSM - (of the God) καιG2532 CONJ - (and) γεγονατεG1096 V-2RAI-2P - (you* had continued) χρειανG5532 N-ASF - (a need) εχοντεςG2192 V-PAP-NPM - (having) γαλακτοςG1051 N-GSN - (for milk) καιG2532 CONJ - (and) ουG3756 PRT-N - (not (abs. neg.)) στερεαςG4731 A-GSF - (for [solid) τροφηςG5160 N-GSF - (food)]

Heb 5:12 Seeing that when you* ought to be teachers at this time, you* have a need again of Him (Holy Spirit KJV: omitted) to teach you* what those principles of the beginning oracles of God are and had continued having a need for milk and not (abs. neg.) solid food.

KJV Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.


Notes:

the principles of the beginning oracles of God = the writings of the Old Testament. Of which principles are summed up in the Christ and that God's Law is the expression of Love, and that the fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom, and etc... If one cannot understand the basics of the faith's foundation, then how can they move on to the strong meat which is contained in Christ? In not knowing the faith's foundation, one becomes unskillful in speaking a word of righteousness. Examples would be: not knowing if we should or should not obey God (faith only or faith and works), if Christ went to Hades to deliver the righteous dead (no one was righteous from the Law or they were not justified by the Law but was righteous nonetheless), or even if all is saved or not (false doctrine of Universal Salvation), and if the Son is God (Jesus was not God or the LORD (Jehovah) is your Savior). So, before endeavoring into teaching, know your foundation, the Old Testament.

 

[Red33]

Heb 5:12 Seeing that when you* ought to be teachers at this time, you* have a need again of Him (Holy Spirit KJV: omitted) to teach you* what those principles of the beginning oracles of God are and had continued having a need for milk and not (abs. neg.) solid food.

KJV Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.


Notes:

the principles of the beginning oracles of God = the writings of the Old Testament. Of which principles are summed up in the Christ and that God's Law is the expression of Love, and that the fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom, and etc... If one cannot understand the basics of the faith's foundation, then how can they move on to the strong meat which is contained in Christ? In not knowing the faith's foundation, one becomes unskillful in speaking a word of righteousness. Examples would be: not knowing if we should or should not obey God (faith only or faith and works), if Christ went to Hades to deliver the righteous dead (no one was righteous from the Law or they were not justified by the Law but was righteous nonetheless), or even if all is saved or not (false doctrine of Universal Salvation), and if the Son is God (Jesus was not God or the LORD (Jehovah) is your Savior). So, before endeavoring into teaching, know your foundation, the Old Testament.

Where do you get this idea that God's law is the expression of love? The law is holy but is not an expression of His love. God sending His Son is an expression of the love of God but when the law was given to Moses, that was an expression of the holiness of God that made sin exceedingly sinful because of a rebellious people, the children of Israel. Your above statement above in (RED) is unskillful in the words of righteousness and does not communicate the intent of the law and defines the love of God in an manner that does not represent the nature of God. Try again, and this time hear what the Spirit has to say, preferably through a pastor-teacher God has raised up for the church.

 

[cfultz3]

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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Heb 5:13 παςG3956 A-NSM - (any) γαρG1063 CONJ - (for) ομετεχωνG3348 V-PAP-NSM - (one who is drinking) γαλακτοςG1051 N-GSN - (milk) απειροςG552 A-NSM - (is unskillful of speaking) λογουG3056 N-GSM - (of a word) δικαιοσυνηςG1343 N-GSF - (of righteousness) νηπιοςG3516 A-NSM - (an infant) γαρG1063 CONJ - (as (reason)) εστινG1510 V-PAI-3S - (he is)[/FONT]
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[cfultz3]

Where do you get this idea that God's law is the expression of love? -- the Law says do not steal. Love says stealing is still wrong. The Law says love your God and fellow humans. Love speaks the same. The Law says to do not lust. Love still says to die to your flesh. On and on it can go.

The law is holy but is not an expression of His love. God sending His Son is an expression of the love of God -- The Law says there must be a sacrifice for offense, out of Love, God sent His Son to fulfill those regulations. So, indeed, Love does bring to completion the Law. Amen.


but when the law was given to Moses, that was an expression of the holiness of God -- the Ten Commandments are the expression essence of God's nature, which is: Love. Look at those commandments under the eyes of love and see if this is not so.

that made sin exceedingly sinful because of a rebellious people, --but the Law was not given as a curse, but so that people might know the will of God and by such, to show people that they needed a Savior to deliver them from the end-result curse of the Law: death. So, the Law is spoken to those in disobedience to lead them away from the rebellion.


the children of Israel. Your above statement above in (RED) is unskillful in the words of righteousness -- and there goes your Pharisaic finger again. Does not Love bring the Law to a completion, as love fulfills the Law for us. By your finger, you condemn obedience to your Master (Lord). Was it not He Himself who said, 'the one who loves me will keep my commandments and is a My SERVANT'. So, place a mirror in front of that finger.

and does not communicate the intent of the law -- the intent of the Law was to show people what God sought in a servant. The Law is not done away with, but search your heart and you will find that they are written on it. You see, the Spirit still speaks the same Law which He expresses out in words it was first intended for: love.

and defines the love of God in an manner that does not represent the nature of God. --Love is not the nature of God?

Try again, and this time hear what the Spirit has to say, preferably through a pastor-teacher God has raised up for the church. -- God bless you and I forgive you.

 

[cfultz3]

Heb 5:14 τελειωνG5046 A-GPM - (for who are fully grown) δεG1161 CONJ - (but) εστινG1510 V-PAI-3S - (food is) ηG3588 T-NSF στερεαG4731 A-NSF - (that solid) τροφηG5160 N-NSF - (food) τωνG3588 T-GPM - (for those) διαG1223 PREP - (through (channel of an act)) τηνG3588 T-ASF εξινG1838 N-ASF - (the practice of (habit)) ταG3588 T-APN αισθητηριαG145 N-APN - (the senses) γεγυμνασμεναG1128 V-RPP-APN - (having had been trained = trained) εχοντωνG2192 V-PAP-GPM - (having) προςG4314 PREP - (towards) διακρισινG1253 N-ASF - (discernment) καλουG2570 A-GSN - (of good) τεG5037 PRT - (both) καιG2532 CONJ - (and) κακουG2556 A-GSN - (of evil)

Heb 5:14 But, that solid food is for those who are fully grown through (channel of an act) the practice (habit) of having the senses trained towards discernment of both good and evil.


KJV Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.


Notes:

senses trained (peRfect Passive Participle) = the tense basically says that your senses are to have already been trained before you become a teacher. Listen: how does one know if a doctrine being taught is good or evil if one is not trained in the basic principles of God's sayings?

 

[GreenNnice]

Heb 5:14 But, that solid food is for those who are fully grown through (channel of an act) the practice (habit) of having the senses trained towards discernment of both good and evil.


KJV Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.


Notes:

senses trained (peRfect Passive Participle) = the tense basically says that your senses are to have already been trained before you become a teacher. Listen: how does one know if a doctrine being taught is good or evil if one is not trained in the basic principles of God's sayings?

Understand John 10 to understand the meat of the Word, of what's been said by Cee and I , knowing FULL well the Law and Christ TOGETHER expressed the ultimate compassion for man to KNOW God.

The Lord led of who Jesus REALLY is/was/will be, God, His Father, gave Jesus His Son ALL authority to do things, so, it is important to note, and, this is 'meat,' Christ peeps, that God allowed His Son to suffer, even to the point of death on a cross. Remember, 'cursed is the man that hangs on the tree.'

May the Lord guide you , through Him, to all things knowns and of discernible wisdom and knowledge and understanding

Note to reddy: If you understand God is Love, is only Love, cannot lie, did create good and evil but did not PERFORM good and evil, and, wants none to perish and wants not the wicked to go to destruction (even though He says they will), then you will understand FULLY that the Law of God is Love, 100% completely, is now, always has been, and, ALWAYS will be in the future, for God is Love, always, with us, teaching us, showing us, guiding us, as He leads, led, and, will lead, lo, until the end of the age




Cee: the principles of the beginning oracles of God = the writings of the Old Testament. Of which principles are summed up in the Christ and that God's Law is the
expression of Love,

 

[GreenNnice]

These little studies are really good!! Thanks cfultz 3

It's nice to see the hebrew and get a proper translation instead of KJV

Note: I liked your post merely for what was said of cee's study and I will add, as the Lord's leading me , I hope and pray, cee's 'notes' are not just simple to understand (comprehendable), they are consumable fire from He who lives within him

Note: the Lord leads, and, by His Spirit He teaches me understanding of ALL Scripture He chooses me to understand, and, the versions of the bible are, ultimately, ALL rooted in His inspiration this given mem. Anda I do not deny some verses may seemingly speak against His Truth hut, again, ultimately, all the versions--KJV, BIG, NASB, Living, CEV, NRSB, NKJV--ARE God's holy, inspired Word. Never forget that, Christ peeps, that He in you teaches you ALL things, you learn NOTHING from leading the Word left to your own devices.
The Lord leads. May He ALWAYS, in ALL WAYS, from your given measure of faith, which is uniquely the same meaure to all to believe in Him, freewill CHOICE , a mustard seed amount of faith (Why 'measure of faith' the same, green? God is equally JUST in grace and mercy. God is Love ). And, you measure, may it be presciously grown by your believing FAITH-FULLY in His weighs and measures, which will be a perfect balance for ALL your life, beginning, middle, never ending ....'...He who believes in Me shall never die.' John 11:25

Follow Him, Christ peeps, the Law has been fulfilled, and, not replaced but strengthened, infinitely so, for your life by walking forth ALWAYS in His precious, covering redeeming blood, that the moment it was shed and He died and was, 'by His power,' made alive, saved you from having to worry about ANYTHING else the rest or your life: ''You follow Me.' John 21:22

Heb 5:10 (continuation of verse 9) having been addressed (to call by a name) by (agent) God as 'High Priest according to Melchisedek's order'.

KJV Heb 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

Notes:

addressed = to salute. God, in making an oath, acknowledged the Son when He greeted Him as "High Priest" forevermore (Psa 110:4). What does this verse mean: God accepted His sacrifice of Himself as an everlasting appeasement and that He and He alone forevermore is the only One who can approach God for the sin's of the people. This being so, as it was under the regulations of the priestly laws, we are to bring our sacrifices of repentance (not actual animals but real regrets) to our High Priest of God's temple in Heaven. And He as a faithful High Priest will present our sacrifice (His blood) to God and forgiveness, as it was under the Law, is obtained. But, there is no forgiveness unless we approach our High Priest, seeing that it is the high priest's duty to perform sacrifices according to the Law. So, in confession of sin, go to Him as your High Priest and He on His Throne of Grace will grant forgiveness.

Heb 5:11 As concerning whom (Melchizedek) we have much discourse, but to explain is difficult since you* had become sluggish to things heard.

KJV Heb 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.


Notes:

None

Do you see how gently and beautifully, Cee, speaks here, Christ peeps, we ALL, at times, fail, it's in our nature, read Romans 6-7, here Paul speaks of wanting to follow the Lord as He leads in Spirit but his flesh is AT WAR with his Spirit in Him, of God in Him.

Best way to understand crucifying the flesh is God is in those who choose to be living/abiding in Him, authoring of and perfecting of our faith, which Satan soo wants to DESTROY, have us depart from ! But God is in you, He is Him, Jesus given once Jesus ascended, Himself, UNforcefully given. You must receive Him. Then, the rest is easy, just in full faith and confidence of His leading, follow Him.

He has ALL authority over Heaven and Earth, this Jesus who WAS a man , like you and me, but with ALL authority given Him by His Father yet He gave it all away, sufferibg, shame, DEATH, in which Jesus, indeed, HAD to trust His Father to RAISE Him 'by His power' but He submitted to His Father's will and the cursing and mocking and torturing and DEATH on a cross, at COMPLETE humiliating loss yet believing by faith that He KNEW His Father would, like Stephen, get bacK his spirit that He returned to His Father, God.

'Father, into Thy hands, I commit my spirit.' And with these words Jesus breathed his last.

It was finished, Jesus had died, as it is written in Scripture, fulfilling Old Testament prophecy, so that we caN ALL ,every single one of us, all the 8,000,000,000 people on planet earth, CAN personally have Him leading you, helping you, counseling you, comforting you, in unmatched power-once asked by their own choosing to receive Him--in their individual life planned by God from their beginning to be a WHOLE LOT MORE than JUST believing in Him for salvation, and, that's it....


Christ peeps, IF believing in John 3:16 is ALL there is to eternal life Christ would have said so. Sure, Christ wants none to perish, He wants believing in Him as simple as cab be, and, truly, for eternal life foreverkore with Him the step unto this being with Him forever is only to 'believe.'

But, there's more! Much, much more, after crucifying your flesh after having confessed Jesus as Lord God, almighty in your life. Pray for His might and power to come over you, fall afresh on you in your life, the Spirit of God SOOOO wants to guide you to ALL Truth, and, according to Scripture (read 1 Cor. 1 & 2), for you to truly understand Him, to be able to be undrstanding His parables, His lessons, ALL His ways 'and measures' for your life, YOU MUST !

'Ask anything in My name and you shall receive it .' -- Jesus

 

[cfultz3]

Our next study, if all is finished here, will be (lol, with the proper heading):

Hebrews 6...Our Forerunner, through His obedience, Showed the Path to God's Rest....grammar study

 

[GreenNnice]

Heb 5:12 Seeing that when you* ought to be teachers at this time, you* have a need again of Him (Holy Spirit KJV: omitted) to teach you* what those principles of the beginning oracles of God are and had continued having a need for milk and not (abs. neg.) solid food.

KJV Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.


Notes:

the principles of the beginning oracles of God = the writings of the Old Testament. Of which principles are summed up in the Christ and that God's Law is the expression of Love, and that the fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom, and etc... If one cannot understand the basics of the faith's foundation, then how can they move on to the strong meat which is contained in Christ? In not knowing the faith's foundation, one becomes unskillful in speaking a word of righteousness. Examples would be: not knowing if we should or should not obey God (faith only or faith and works), if Christ went to Hades to deliver the righteous dead (no one was righteous from the Law or they were not justified by the Law but was righteous nonetheless), or even if all is saved or not (false doctrine of Universal Salvation), and if the Son is God (Jesus was not God or the LORD (Jehovah) is your Savior). So, before endeavoring into teaching, know your foundation, the Old Testament.

I want to reiterate, as the Lord leads me, that understanding of the Laws of Moses, a.k.a. the 10 commandments, are NOT to be thrown out since Jesus came, God's FIRST expression of Love WAS Moses' laws LEARNED from God . Those OT laws WERE parenting means, by Jove ! I mean, 'by God.'

Without the Law, the people would have had NO hope for heaven. God's expression of Love was showing these 'sinful,' 'rebellious' people, as words you said reddy, which are good choices, which verses'words are mentioned, too, in earlier Hebrews books of Cee's study. But, yes, God showed compassion with these disobedient Israelites by giving them LAWS. This was not the true deliverance of Christ to the world, that 'deliverance' would come nearly 2000 years later, 'deliverance' born in a mangy stable.

But, yes, God expressed a great manner of Love via the guidelines for Israelites choosing Life or death , nothing could be more Loving by God for the constantly disobeying/complaining Israelites
God even gave them their own freewill humanity, because one of His 10 commandments was not 'Thou shalt not complain.' God has that same humanity Love for us today too.

God is the same today, as yesterday, as forevermore.

Please, though, let's leave 'unskilled' talk out of these studies, reddy , yours, in this case, definitely, NOT Cee's . God bless you, reddy, as you deepen your understandstanding of what He teaches you, in Spirit and in Truth

Keep on keeping on, Cee, Christbro. Hebrews 6 , you go, boy