How successful is the church in America in fulfilling the great Commission?

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Philos

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The Great Commission as stated on scripture: (Therefore, go and make disciples of all nations...Matthew 28:18 NKJ)
The operative word here is disciple, Now Strong's Dictionary defines the word disciple or manthano as: ( A disciple of Christ is one who (1) believes his doctrine, (2) rests on his sacrifice, (3) imbibes his spirit, and (4) imitates his example (Mat 10:24; Luke 14:26,27,33; John 6:69).
Vines expository dictionary defines disciple as: "a learner" (from manthano, "to learn," from a root math--, indicating thought accompanied by endeavor), in contrast to didaskalos, "a teacher;" hence it denotes "one who follows one's teaching," as the "disciples" of John, Mat 9:14; of the Pharisees, Mat 22:16; of Moses, John 9:28; it is used of the "disciples" of Jesus.

So exegeting these words of Jesus can one safely say that Jesus is commanding us to go and make learners, not teachers, of all nations?
My thesis here is, to what extent is the church in America accomplishing this command? I will list several bullet points that will serve as questions for discussion and that challenge the way in which we currently do church. After each point ask yourself to what extent does each element impact (positively, negatively, or have no impact at all), in making disciples of non believers, What letter grade would you give the evangelical church in America in it's training and equipping of Christ followers to go into all the world wearing the Ephesians 6 armor and having been trained in apologetics to withstand the fiery darts of the enemy and be able to " ...sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in..." (1 Peter 3:15 NKJ)?

1. Sunday services
a. Music that has become more like a loud concert. You cannot hear the person standing right next to you. Smoke and flashing lights.
b. Tithes and offerings. A talent is not a Roman coin it is a specific measure of something. What about the giving of your God given
physical talents in contributing to the ministry in the growth of the gospel? Money only no utilizing of spiritual gifts by each
member.
c. The message. One person giving a lecture to the body, quoting scripture and giving their own personal understanding of scripture.
Isn't that the role of the Holy Spirit? No questions are allowed during or even after the lecture. Again, the illustrations and the application of the presented material are all the lecturer's personal experiences.

2. Supporting ministries
a. Sunday school????
b. Youth ministry
c. The role of small groups. A church with small groups (sometimes vs. always) vs. The small group church

3. Does your church have a plan for each person to know their spiritual gifts and God given talents and provides a way for each person to
use their gifts in the co-ministry of your church in the edifying of the saints to accomplish the Great Commission?

4. Has your church done a spiritual needs analysis and a health assessment? How many new converts, how many mature believers, how many members know your churches mission statement and their role in accomplishing it? What mile markers do you have in place to determine how successful you are in achieving your one, three and five year goals?

I am going to just stop with these as there a many other factors to consider and these hopefully will suffice in initiating a response and further discussion.

Just a reminder that this is a thesis to determine how successful we are in going out into fallen world, who mostly hates us. and having each person who calls themselves a Christ follower, mandated by Jesus Christ himself, to make mature Christians from the non believers. Not to go out into all the world and just convert them. And, developing a SMART plan to change what needs to be changed so that we can bring glory to our to our awesome God by truly fulfilling the Great Commission.
 

Gideon300

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#2
The Great Commission as stated on scripture: (Therefore, go and make disciples of all nations...Matthew 28:18 NKJ)
The operative word here is disciple, Now Strong's Dictionary defines the word disciple or manthano as: ( A disciple of Christ is one who (1) believes his doctrine, (2) rests on his sacrifice, (3) imbibes his spirit, and (4) imitates his example (Mat 10:24; Luke 14:26,27,33; John 6:69).
Vines expository dictionary defines disciple as: "a learner" (from manthano, "to learn," from a root math--, indicating thought accompanied by endeavor), in contrast to didaskalos, "a teacher;" hence it denotes "one who follows one's teaching," as the "disciples" of John, Mat 9:14; of the Pharisees, Mat 22:16; of Moses, John 9:28; it is used of the "disciples" of Jesus.

So exegeting these words of Jesus can one safely say that Jesus is commanding us to go and make learners, not teachers, of all nations?
My thesis here is, to what extent is the church in America accomplishing this command? I will list several bullet points that will serve as questions for discussion and that challenge the way in which we currently do church. After each point ask yourself to what extent does each element impact (positively, negatively, or have no impact at all), in making disciples of non believers, What letter grade would you give the evangelical church in America in it's training and equipping of Christ followers to go into all the world wearing the Ephesians 6 armor and having been trained in apologetics to withstand the fiery darts of the enemy and be able to " ...sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in..." (1 Peter 3:15 NKJ)?

1. Sunday services
a. Music that has become more like a loud concert. You cannot hear the person standing right next to you. Smoke and flashing lights.
b. Tithes and offerings. A talent is not a Roman coin it is a specific measure of something. What about the giving of your God given
physical talents in contributing to the ministry in the growth of the gospel? Money only no utilizing of spiritual gifts by each
member.
c. The message. One person giving a lecture to the body, quoting scripture and giving their own personal understanding of scripture.
Isn't that the role of the Holy Spirit? No questions are allowed during or even after the lecture. Again, the illustrations and the application of the presented material are all the lecturer's personal experiences.

2. Supporting ministries
a. Sunday school????
b. Youth ministry
c. The role of small groups. A church with small groups (sometimes vs. always) vs. The small group church

3. Does your church have a plan for each person to know their spiritual gifts and God given talents and provides a way for each person to
use their gifts in the co-ministry of your church in the edifying of the saints to accomplish the Great Commission?

4. Has your church done a spiritual needs analysis and a health assessment? How many new converts, how many mature believers, how many members know your churches mission statement and their role in accomplishing it? What mile markers do you have in place to determine how successful you are in achieving your one, three and five year goals?

I am going to just stop with these as there a many other factors to consider and these hopefully will suffice in initiating a response and further discussion.

Just a reminder that this is a thesis to determine how successful we are in going out into fallen world, who mostly hates us. and having each person who calls themselves a Christ follower, mandated by Jesus Christ himself, to make mature Christians from the non believers. Not to go out into all the world and just convert them. And, developing a SMART plan to change what needs to be changed so that we can bring glory to our to our awesome God by truly fulfilling the Great Commission.
I agree with your sentiments. I'm not so sure about your prescriptive ways to deal with the issues.

1. Music. There needs to be a prayer ministry at the end of the singing so that the deafened can hear the preaching. (Sarcasm)
2. Giving. Both over and under emphasised. "God has not got our hearts until He has our wallets" (Watchman Nee). But the false and unbalanced prosperity gospel is evil and harmful.
3. Youth ministry. I was youth leader at a Pentecostal church for a while. We were left alone to do as we saw fit. We had some wonderful times of fellowship and people were genuinely helped and encouraged. We had some not so good experiences also. But the Lord used it.
4. Sunday school (or whatever the title is these days). If it is done in the Spirit, for sure. Jesus wanted the little children to come to Him.
5. Teaching, not just preaching. Many Christians are weak and shallow because they are not grounded in the Word. The modern emphasis on experiences only is "building on sand". Truth sets us free, not warm fuzzy feelings when the band plays.
6. Discipline. Too many churches tolerate sin that should be exposed and dealt with. And if it is dealt with, it must be justly. I know cases where an adulterer was allowed to stay in a fellowship while the innocent party was pushed out.
7. I think churches get too big to manage effectively. It seems to me that 30 is enough. Then the group should divide and start again. That allows for leaders to work as well as lead. It's less of a drain on the finances of the people and it means people can meet in homes. This is the pattern of the very early church. A senior Christian should oversee the smaller groups to make sure that they are spiritually healthy.
8. Liberty. Unity. Christians each have a spiritual gift and calling from God. We are a body, not a one man band. The word "pastor" occurs twice in the NT. The misuse of the word and the role is one of the key reasons the church struggles. Believers must be free to exercise their gifts, otherwise the church will fail to grow spiritually. Too often, the gifted are left on the shelf while the lone paid professional burns out from a load that man puts on him, not God.

Above all we need to be led by the Spirit. Jesus is Head and Builder of His Church. Too many leaders seek to control rather than shepherd.
 

Nehemiah6

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...make mature Christians from the non believers. Not to go out into all the world and just convert them.
And that is the tough part which is rarely addressed. To make disciples is to spend time with individuals who have just been saved and show them what God wants to do in their lives (using Scripture) so that they go from being babes in Christ to mature Christians. Paul also focused a lot on the believer's position in Christ.
 

Philos

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So what is the process that the evangelical church in America utilizes to take a new convert from milk to maturity or meat to being trained sufficiently to go into the hostile marketplace of ideas and make disciples of these baby Christ followers?
Which method is used the most: Peter's (Acts 4) or Paul's (Acts 17)? Why is one or the other best or ineffective? Which method requires the most training and experience?
 

Nehemiah6

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So what is the process that the evangelical church in America utilizes to take a new convert from milk to maturity...
Who can tell? There are hundreds of churches (thousand?).
 

Philos

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Who can tell? There are hundreds of churches (thousand?).
It was a tongue in cheek question. I would argue that less than ten percent have a structured specific process with mile markers to evaluate the progress and determine the effectiveness of that process.