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I'm not really sure where the right place to post this is so I hope I'm close enough, I am looking for some advice; I heard a sermon recently about Romans 9 and how God has planned for some to be saved from the beginning of time and then others to be destroyed. There is nothing a person can do to change their "destiny" Is this really true? I don't want to know for the sake of an argument but I just want to know for me.
Before I became a Christian, I thought that God was mean and played with us like a game, sending people to hell by tricking them into it and by making the only way to heaven so difficult for most that they damned themselves. I heard from some friends the gospel and the hope and purpose it gives to life. but now I'm questioning was it too good to be true I can't just have that life freely. I'm scared I'm not chosen by God. for a year and a half I've lived as his child trying to shake off the feeling that I don't have the same confidence that I am saved as others have. I am so upset that God would show me what his abundant life is like then prevent me from having it. I want to be His so much but how can I be if he has already decided. I'm not even sure I feel the same way about God now I had hope that my family would be saved but now I'm scared they are not chosen.What is the purpose of a life destined for hell
 
The fact that you care is a sign that God has His hand on your life.
Do you think you would care if you weren't among the beloved?
It's not like God arbitrarily picks and chooses like He's throwing darts.
The fact that you care is a strong indication that He loves you.
"If you ask for fish will he give you a stone?"
God works through our consciences.
And others might seem like they aren't heeding the call now, but that doesn't mean they never will.
Life lasts a while. God knows every breath.
 
The Elect are the whosoever will believe.So don't worry about not being one of the elect.Second you need to have a right view of God,the Bible says God is good, God is love, etc,you need to see God as loving merciful kind gracious, you have a wrong view of God.That is what satan the accusser wants,don't be fooled by him.Study what the bible says about God,not some emotional imagination.God loves you, trust Him,He is faithful.
 
Dear hssohan93
I want you to know that God , is a God of Love . Salvation is a free , and open gift . It is for you , it is for your family , it is for ' whosoever will recieve it . God loves you more than you can ever realize , and He would never cause His son to die in order to provide a weak form of propitiation . What Jesus did on the cross was absolutely , 'The' most powerful thing that has Ever happened in the universe . It is Legal and Binding and cannot and will never be revoked . Satan only wishes that he could devise a plan that would weaken the effects of Salvation , but he never , ever will . I don't know who delivered the sermon that you heard , but I can say , with all assurance , that what you heard was taken out of context and misrepresented. If you are saved , you are on your way to heaven . If you know somebody who isn't saved , they to can recieve Jesus without hesitation and be born again into the Family of God . You don't have to be good enough because None of us are . You just have to recieve what Jesus did at the cross for you......
 
You do belong to Jesus.
You are in my prayers for all that is the joy and love of Jesus to delight you and fill your life.

Hugs and God bless
pickles
 
Thanks, I do think that God really is loving but it was just that thought about Him making a choice for people to go to hell didn't match his loving character I was scared that I was just deceiving myself into believing when I couldn't even be saved.
 
THERE ARE A LOT OF THEOREIS OF WHICH WAY IS THE RIGHT WAY TO BELIEVE AND SERVE, FOLLOW JESUS CHRIST. THE BEST ANSWER IS FROM THE ONE TO FOLLOW JESUS CHRIST, IN A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP HE TELLS US, FOR HE IS THE WAY THE TRUTH, AND THE LIGHT. JESUS HEAL BROKEN HEARTS.
 
Thanks, I do think that God really is loving but it was just that thought about Him making a choice for people to go to hell didn't match his loving character I was scared that I was just deceiving myself into believing when I couldn't even be saved.

God being loving and if God was not we would not have free choice, God knows who will by free choice choose God andwhowill not but he extended his Mercy through his Son in order that allcan be saved, becasue by and through the Law noone could ever obey them all, and none of us can to this day So Christ himself by the power of Father becameour mediator fulfilling the Law and Prophets of the Old Testament that is what yhe came to earth to do Matthew 5:17 he did it and went to the cross to die for the sins of the whole wrold the pasts the present at that time and is extended all the way here to us here and now.
What he did by his death was release us from the Law that noone could obey not in its entirety ever. So this Mercy given unto you is yours a free gift all that is left now that you are free is receive this LOVE of God that is unnatural fotr the Human Being and ask God to shed it abroad in your heart and live by this each and every day. Now this Love is 1 Cor.13 this is the typeof Love that is unnatural and God wants to gs to you, if you want it it is free
 
I'm not really sure where the right place to post this is so I hope I'm close enough, I am looking for some advice; I heard a sermon recently about Romans 9 and how God has planned for some to be saved from the beginning of time and then others to be destroyed. There is nothing a person can do to change their "destiny" Is this really true? I don't want to know for the sake of an argument but I just want to know for me.
Before I became a Christian, I thought that God was mean and played with us like a game, sending people to hell by tricking them into it and by making the only way to heaven so difficult for most that they damned themselves. I heard from some friends the gospel and the hope and purpose it gives to life. but now I'm questioning was it too good to be true I can't just have that life freely. I'm scared I'm not chosen by God. for a year and a half I've lived as his child trying to shake off the feeling that I don't have the same confidence that I am saved as others have. I am so upset that God would show me what his abundant life is like then prevent me from having it. I want to be His so much but how can I be if he has already decided. I'm not even sure I feel the same way about God now I had hope that my family would be saved but now I'm scared they are not chosen.What is the purpose of a life destined for hell

Romans Ch 9 isnt about individual persons, but about a nation, election is a false teaching concocted by John Calvin the heritick, do not worry, you are NOT doomed, you still have hope in Jesus Christ who died for ALL who come to Him broken in repentance!

Its Not Too Late:



2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slow concerning His promise, as some count slowness, but is long-suffering toward us, not purposing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
As long as mankind has breath repentance can be found, yes I mean found, it usually doesn’t come until the sinning soul breaks down, yielding to the holy word of God, through the conviction of the Holy Spirit, who is convicting the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment!
Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Joh 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
Joh 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
Now many will say repentance comes after the conversion, or somewhere down the road since stopping any sin is impossible, since mankind is depraved and unable.
But God is not mocked, God is still waiting patiently for His wayward creation to repent, forsake their sins, which mean they stop first, and then seek His mercy, broken as a wild horse, now useful to His master. He gave them free will and ability to choose to repent or not.
Rom 2:4 Or do you despise the riches of His kindness, and the forbearance and long-suffering, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?
If your life is a mess, and you are living the lie, that tells your conscience you can sin and live of the world and still be saved, and in bondage to your flesh, giving into temptation whenever it comes knocking at your door, just remember it’s not God condoning your bad conduct, but your conscience becoming seared to the point that real repentance and faith will not be found, it will be too late, His great mercy and kindness will not last for long!
So it’s not too late for those who still have breath, and are ready to stop playing Russian roulette with the patients and mercy of God, this is not a game, this is life or death, for all eternity, repent before it’s too late and God says time is up.
Tommy 12-27-12
The Biblical Characteristics of True Repentance: (as taught by early church and Apostles) 2Cor7:10-11 “For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death. For observe this very thing that you sorrowed in a godly manner: What diligence it produced in you, what clearing of yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what vehement desire, what zeal, what vindication! In all things you proved yourselves to be clear in this matter.”
For True Repentance to have Taken Place the following MUST have Occurred:
1) Season of Deep felt Godly Sorrow for sin. (Invoked by Spirit of Truth working, Jh16:8)
2) A Crisis of Conviction that Cuts to the heart! (Sin already being forsaken!)
3) A Zeal to CLEAR oneself of all Wrong Doing against God. (make restitution if necessary)
4) Indignation and Fear that leads to Vehement Desire to STOP Sinning!
5) Vindication and Finally PURITY of heart!
Every incident of Repentance in Scripture Follows this PROCESS. (DON’T Let anyone tell you it Doesn’t, and they will MOST certainly Try!) The Sin STOPS HERE, The Old Man DIES here, The Flesh is Crucified HERE! NOT Afterwards. The Desires and Conduct are CHANGED here. (Or never will be!)
OBEDIENCE to God follows in NEWNESS of Life and All things New! (Rom6:4-6, 2Cor5:17) If you have NOT Experienced this and have NO IDEA what it means, you are NOT BORN of the SPIRIT!!!
You may indeed have ‘RECEIVED’ Christ, and ‘Believed’ on His Name (repeated some words) BUT the Devils ALSO Believe! (James2:19) If a Person is SAVED by What he DOES and NOT by Faith Alone! (as James affirms, JS 2:24) The What he DOES PART, STARTS with This REPENTANCE!
I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds! Acts26:20
! Courtesy standingthegap.org
 
I'm not really sure where the right place to post this is so I hope I'm close enough, I am looking for some advice; I heard a sermon recently about Romans 9 and how God has planned for some to be saved from the beginning of time and then others to be destroyed. There is nothing a person can do to change their "destiny" Is this really true? I don't want to know for the sake of an argument but I just want to know for me.
Before I became a Christian, I thought that God was mean and played with us like a game, sending people to hell by tricking them into it and by making the only way to heaven so difficult for most that they damned themselves. I heard from some friends the gospel and the hope and purpose it gives to life. but now I'm questioning was it too good to be true I can't just have that life freely. I'm scared I'm not chosen by God. for a year and a half I've lived as his child trying to shake off the feeling that I don't have the same confidence that I am saved as others have. I am so upset that God would show me what his abundant life is like then prevent me from having it. I want to be His so much but how can I be if he has already decided. I'm not even sure I feel the same way about God now I had hope that my family would be saved but now I'm scared they are not chosen.What is the purpose of a life destined for hell

Here is a quote in Roamns 9:30-33

[SUP]30 [/SUP]What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. it is by Faith (belief) that you are made righteous by God not by works and by belief you are in the Kingdom Just ask God and believe
[SUP]31 [/SUP]But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; see leave any works of self behind and trust God for his works of Love through you, you are by belief saved
[SUP]33 [/SUP]As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Do you believe then youwon't be ashamed frolGod by belief has recieved you, because of his son who took away the works of the Law.
I do not know who or how whoever twisted the scripture up to you and caused fear in you except by the spirit of error. It is true God will have Mercy on whomever he will have Mercy on and God is Merciful it takes us by free Choice to ask for his Mercy and recieve via the cross by belief not by works as you just read. Works Sister are involved but it is not ours it is his through us that believe, so go now and rest in him thanking and praising him knowing that he just loves you, people don't most anyway but God never fails, and I have been myself through the quisinart, and nothing can seperate me from this amazing Love of God through the Son
 
Sis, I believe this to be an attack of the mind. I had this struggle before (first year to Christ), until I realized I had to renew my mind. Also, the Lord quickly stopped this doubt, by showing up and talking to me really clearly and confirming I was His. As you seek Him more and more and as your faith grows to deeper levels, the Lord will confirm it to you. You are HIS!!
 
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One of my fave scripures , sorry I cannot remember ch. and verse though, but these words always are a comfort. :)
God said," I brought you with my love, I called you with my endearing love.

You remain in my prayers in Jesus.

God bless
pickles
 
The ones who are picked ahead of time are the ones who choose to be saved, because of the sacrifice of Jesus, we ALL have that choice,I believe even Judas could have been saved had he asked forgiveness instead of choosing suicide
 
IF THIS WAS TRUE, WE JUST AS WELL MIGHT BELIEVE THE WORST THAT YOURSELF AND OTHERS ARE NOT GOING TO BE WITH THE LORD OR MAKE IT TO HEAVEN.? AND CONTINUE IN SIN. THIS SURELY WILL SEPERATE YOU FROM THE LORD. THE CHOICE BELONGS TO US. WE CHOOSE TO LOVE OR TO HATE, TO LIVE OR TO DIE. TO REPENT OR TO NOT.
 
Romans 9

Reveals the truth of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

When humans were first created, we were not perfect - this was before the Earth was made btw. Matter of factly, we were quite childlike, unknowing of God's love, unknowing of reality really. Just existing.

The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was place on purpose; God knew the people would sin from eating of it's fruit.

The fruit of the tree opened our eyes to the true knowledge of our reality; that is what is evil, and what is good.

Earth is the result of that, a physical tribulation in which we come to understand both evil and good, and thus become complete beings as God intended.

With this in mind, God created the Devil, God created wickedness, and God created objects of his wrath ( evil spirits.)

No one feels pity for the murderer who slaughtered all those children at the school shooting; likewise, no one feels pity for the wicked whom will perish.

Now the wicked are those whom go against God, and live according to the desires of the sinful nature, which breed sin into the world - that is all the horridness that humans can be, that we have experienced first hand on earth.

Now, with the knowledge we gain of this evil, we also come to gain the knowledge of good which is God.

But how is God good for creating this reality? How is it fair that those who don't follow God go to Hell?

Because God is good.

The problem was never with God - he actually created everything perfectly for the sake of our wisdom and understanding, so that we can be perfect beings and enjoy life, love, and the eternal amazingness that is Heaven, with full insight and realization.

The problem, was with us.

The only true evil against God, would be to rise up against God, to rebel and go against him. This was already done before the Earth was created, in which Satan rebelled against God, with God's people turning against him or being deceived against God.

Think about it like this:

There is a good president, yet there is always negative propaganda to convince that he is a horrible president and shouldn't have his authority.

Same thing - we were roused, and are still roused on Earth by evil spirits to turn against God, and rebuke God. Everyone's trying to find some sort of fault or fallacy in God, because we are still learning that God is good. The knowledge of good.

We believe easily in pure evil, pure corruption for we have seen it at hand; but why is it that we struggle to believe in pure good? This is what God is trying to show.

Putting your love, belief and devotion into God is done once one understand that God is truly pure good; meaning that there is absolutely no fault or wickedness in God.

God doesn't say believe in him so he can be served or worshipped; actually, we can't give honor enough to God from our mere beings that God cannot give himself or get from the billions of other angels chilling with him in Heaven.

God did this for our own good - from the beginning.

Note how the serpent in Eden, deceived Adam and Eve by saying that God was a liar, and that somehow God was trying to fool us, or keep us from understanding him - " seeing as God see's," as Satan put it. Actually, God never lied; we did die from the fruits of the Tree of knowledge, death became a reality, and God intended for us to see like God does, knowing good and evil.

This isn't a bad thing - though being on the tribulation on Earth, we ask God why we have to suffer or experience the things we do. It is because through pain we understand peace; through evil we understand good.

Just being created with the propeinsity to rebel against God, to be able to go against him, shows that God had intended us to be made perfect from the get go.

Do we ridicule the parent who scolds their child for doing wrong, even though the child did not know that what he did was wrong until he was scolded for it?

Same thing - people argue that God was wrong for allowing this to happen, but really, God is just being a Father, as is his title, and showing us what is good and what is evil, so that we will have clear understanding.

So were some people chosen by God? Certaintly - the 144,000 described in Revelations, however, it also says that even the elect can be deceived and fall away from God, as well as those who weren't originally chosen can force their ways into heaven.

It is testing God to think: " Well God has chosen me, so therefore I am automatically saved." or to think " Well God has not chosen me, so I will never be saved."

Actually, our spirit will expose the save from the unsaved, because those who truly desire to be saved, will be saved.

Really it is a matter of who you really are at your core being; do you truly want to be saved, or is this world all that is for you?

Do you really believe God as good? Or is the corruption of the world too hard to overcome?

You and I are both made from the Dust of the earth and the Breath of Life given by God; what makes you more worthy to be saved than me?

Whoever works for righteousness in the eyes of God.

And it's not super easy, but it's not super hard. Overcoming sin is a challenge, but that's why God says to rely on God to overcome. If you keep closing your mind off, ignoring the signs, blowing off God, then why should you be saved? As opposed to those who are forcing their way into heaven, being vigilant of God, and careful to keep his commands?

Justice works for both the innocent and the guilty.

Hell is not an unjust punishment in the eyes of the innocent, just as death row is not an unjust punishment in the eyes of the innocent.

Why should a murderer be allowed to go free amongst society because he is excused from his crime? What about those who uphold the law and do not murder? Where is the justice in that?

We reap what we sow.

Hell is the reaping of what has been sown, just as Heaven is the reaping of what has been sown.

The only thing Father pre - destined for the Earth, was destruction for those who cannot overcome their sin; however, he also pre - destined Heaven for those who can overcome their sin.

So.

Will you overcome is the real question, or keep pointing fingers at God as if he did anything wrong?
 
Romans 9

Reveals the truth of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

When humans were first created, we were not perfect - this was before the Earth was made btw. Matter of factly, we were quite childlike, unknowing of God's love, unknowing of reality really. Just existing.

The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was place on purpose; God knew the people would sin from eating of it's fruit.

The fruit of the tree opened our eyes to the true knowledge of our reality; that is what is evil, and what is good.

Earth is the result of that, a physical tribulation in which we come to understand both evil and good, and thus become complete beings as God intended.

With this in mind, God created the Devil, God created wickedness, and God created objects of his wrath ( evil spirits.)

No one feels pity for the murderer who slaughtered all those children at the school shooting; likewise, no one feels pity for the wicked whom will perish.

Now the wicked are those whom go against God, and live according to the desires of the sinful nature, which breed sin into the world - that is all the horridness that humans can be, that we have experienced first hand on earth.

Now, with the knowledge we gain of this evil, we also come to gain the knowledge of good which is God.

But how is God good for creating this reality? How is it fair that those who don't follow God go to Hell?

Because God is good.

The problem was never with God - he actually created everything perfectly for the sake of our wisdom and understanding, so that we can be perfect beings and enjoy life, love, and the eternal amazingness that is Heaven, with full insight and realization.

The problem, was with us.

The only true evil against God, would be to rise up against God, to rebel and go against him. This was already done before the Earth was created, in which Satan rebelled against God, with God's people turning against him or being deceived against God.

Think about it like this:

There is a good president, yet there is always negative propaganda to convince that he is a horrible president and shouldn't have his authority.

Same thing - we were roused, and are still roused on Earth by evil spirits to turn against God, and rebuke God. Everyone's trying to find some sort of fault or fallacy in God, because we are still learning that God is good. The knowledge of good.

We believe easily in pure evil, pure corruption for we have seen it at hand; but why is it that we struggle to believe in pure good? This is what God is trying to show.

Putting your love, belief and devotion into God is done once one understand that God is truly pure good; meaning that there is absolutely no fault or wickedness in God.

God doesn't say believe in him so he can be served or worshipped; actually, we can't give honor enough to God from our mere beings that God cannot give himself or get from the billions of other angels chilling with him in Heaven.

God did this for our own good - from the beginning.

Note how the serpent in Eden, deceived Adam and Eve by saying that God was a liar, and that somehow God was trying to fool us, or keep us from understanding him - " seeing as God see's," as Satan put it. Actually, God never lied; we did die from the fruits of the Tree of knowledge, death became a reality, and God intended for us to see like God does, knowing good and evil.

This isn't a bad thing - though being on the tribulation on Earth, we ask God why we have to suffer or experience the things we do. It is because through pain we understand peace; through evil we understand good.

Just being created with the propeinsity to rebel against God, to be able to go against him, shows that God had intended us to be made perfect from the get go.

Do we ridicule the parent who scolds their child for doing wrong, even though the child did not know that what he did was wrong until he was scolded for it?

Same thing - people argue that God was wrong for allowing this to happen, but really, God is just being a Father, as is his title, and showing us what is good and what is evil, so that we will have clear understanding.

So were some people chosen by God? Certaintly - the 144,000 described in Revelations, however, it also says that even the elect can be deceived and fall away from God, as well as those who weren't originally chosen can force their ways into heaven.
The devil tried to storm heaven, Nimrod tried to storm Heaven wanting to kill God, tower of babel, in Revelations it talks about entering in the wrong way and Jesus said himself that he is the way, the truth , and the life,
It is testing God to think: God is not tested God is not Mocked " Well God has chosen me, so therefore I am automatically saved." or to think " Well God has not chosen me, so I will never be saved."

Actually, our spirit will expose the save from the unsaved, because those who truly desire to be saved, will be saved.

Really it is a matter of who you really are at your core being; do you truly want to be saved, or is this world all that is for you?

Do you really believe God as good? Or is the corruption of the world too hard to overcome?

You and I are both made from the Dust of the earth and the Breath of Life given by God; what makes you more worthy to be saved than me?

Whoever works for righteousness in the eyes of God.
Will never make it in, it is not by works one is saved it is by Faith in Christ Jesushis finished work at the cross where all are forgiven and then can receive new life in him born again in the Spirit of God, it is a gift, if one has to work then it is no longer a gift

And it's not super easy, but it's not super hard. Overcoming sin is a challenge, but that's why God says to rely on God to overcome. This is the only way is to 100%rely on God, and one overcomes olnly in God do you recieve God overcomes through you, because it is already done by God he gives the righteousness to participate in If you keep closing your mind off, ignoring the signs, blowing off God, then why should you be saved? As opposed to those who are forcing their way into heaven, being vigilant of God, and careful to keep his commands?
And all through the Old Testament by Law noone could keep the entire Law Hebrews 10 for the Law was a shadow of the good things to come.
Justice works for both the innocent and the guilty.
Noone is innocent all have sinned and all are guilty, until they seek Mercy from God and God grants it to those that plainly want to be with him noother motive, and God does not allow sneak attacks, God knows you and you and you, so God knows who truly wants Mercy and gives to who he decides for God is the only righteous one
Hell is not an unjust punishment in the eyes of the innocent, just as death row is not an unjust punishment in the eyes of the innocent.

Why should a murderer be allowed to go free amongst society because he is excused from his crime? What about those who uphold the law and do not murder? Where is the justice in that?

We reap what we sow.

Hell is the reaping of what has been sown, just as Heaven is the reaping of what has been sown.

The only thing Father pre - destined for the Earth, was destruction for those who cannot overcome their sin; however, he also pre - destined Heaven for those who can overcome their sin.
Only through Christ's work is one made righteous in the sight of God the Father by Faith in this finished work of Christ who fulfilled the Law for those who know they can't and they by Faith receive the fulfillmentof the Law the righteousness of God the Father of Christ in a new life of God's LOVE best described in 1 Cor 13
So.

Will you overcome is the real question, or keep pointing fingers at God as if he did anything wrong?
God is the Father of Christ is righteous there is no evil in him at all, and Christ took all evil and condemned it to the flesh at the cross, destroyed the devil took the keys to heaven and hell, for the princeof this world has been judged and Christ took away sin (evil) therefroe Father is well pleased and now today comes by Faith to live in the believer, that goes to him in prayer seeking to be right with God, God the Father leads thatone to Christ where all sin in Christ has been dealt with, and one recives new life in Christ thanking God forever and so busy with this newlife there is no time forsin to creep in. And sin only creeps in through as a man sows, if he is thinking about the flesh whether he wants to do flesh or not flesh is what is produced and when sin is born by thinking of the flesh then guilt comes and feeling unworthy what a great deception of the devil in this world getting people to work in their own flesh keeping their consciences seared and never coming to the truth
God does not want you or anyone to work in the energy of their own flesh. Rather why not finalize the cross that htere is where notonly you are forgiven the whole world, and then ask to be saved by his life romans 5:10 real clear on this. The only work that God wants of us is to work hard toenter his rest and that is by belief read it in kjv Hebrews 3 and 4 they never entered my rest(God's) because of unbelief, they worked hard and were careful and tried to do right but they just couldn't enter because of unbelief and this is still going on today. The cross is where one is forgiven there is no more sacrificial lamb it is done there is no more forgiveness to be provided than at the cross period. Please come ot belief in the finished work of Christ andthen recieve from God the new life that God wants you to have and participate in. 1 Cor. 13 love is unnatural formankind to have but in the new life through the cross one recieves this love from God and isno longer unnatural beacause you are born a new in the Spirit of God


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