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Crossfire

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#61
You've been co-opted to fight for the synagogue of satan.
You've become one with it. Setting up "the kingdom", don't you know.
Not all Evangelicals are Zionists or Dispensationists. One would hope that not all modern Covenental Amillennials are willing to hold hands with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (Iran's confrontational president) either.

However, if one had to show historically which side, Evangelicals or Covenentals, are in league with Satan, the evidence would clearly point toward Covenentals by a landslide.
 
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edward99

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#62
Not all Evangelicals are Zionists or Dispensationists. One would hope that not all modern Covenental Amillennials are willing to hold hands with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (Iran's confrontational president) either.


Get informed.
What confrontational?
Stop reading Zionist press and grow up.

However, if one had to show historically which side, Evangelicals or Covenentals, are in league with Satan, the evidence would clearly point toward Covenentals by a landslide.
Oh wow.
If you're not a "Covenental", you're just not a Christian, Crossfire.
I don't understand where you get your information from.

Like, how many Covenants do you have on the go right now?

As for your Millennialism (vs your hated "Amillennialism, which I'm convinced you don't even know what the term means), sorry...all your fall guys you try to pin on "Amillennialism" have held to some weird form of YOUR beliefs.

Don't even know what to say other than offer a few links if you read them in order you might see it.

Dual-covenant theology
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Dual-covenant theology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Millennialism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Millennialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Utopianism

The early Christian concept had ramifications far beyond strictly religious concern during the centuries to come, as it was blended and enhanced with ideas of utopia.

In the wake of early millennial thinking, the Three Ages philosophy (Drei-Reiche-Lehre) developed (see Three Eras). The Italian monk and theologian Joachim of Fiore (died 1202) claimed that all of human history was a succession of three ages:

the Age of the Father (the Old Testament)
the Age of the Son (the New Testament)
the Age of the Holy Spirit (the age begun when Christ ascended into heaven, leaving the Paraclete, the third person of the Holy Trinity, to guide)

It was believed that the Age of the Holy Spirit would begin at around 1260, and that from then on all believers would be living as monks, mystically transfigured and full of praise for God, for a thousand years until Judgement Day would put an end to the history of our planet.

In the Modern Era, some of the concepts of millennial thinking have found their way into various secular ideas, usually in the form of a belief that a certain historical event will fundamentally change human society (or has already done so). For example, the French Revolution seemed to many to be ushering in the millennial age of reason. Also, the philosophies of Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (1770–1831) and Karl Marx (1818–1883) carried strong millennial overtones. As late as 1970, Yale law teacher Charles A. Reich coined the term "Consciousness III" in his best seller The Greening of America, in which he spoke of a new age ushered in by the hippie generation. However, these secular theories generally have little or nothing to do with the original millennial thinking, or with each other.

Judaism

Main article: Jewish eschatology
There is a not dissimilar belief in Judaism. Time is split into 3 periods (1) The world started in year 1 (= 3761 BCE), the epoch. For almost two thousand years there was nothing, most people were idolatrous and God's presence was not seen in the world. (2) In 1812 BCE, 1948 in Jewish years, Abraham was born. The birth of the first forefather heralded two thousand years of Godliness. This is the period of the Bible, the first and second temples in Jerusalem etc. (3) In 70 CE the Second Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed, and after the Bar Kokhba revolt, Jews were barred from Jerusalem except for the day of Tisha B'av. This started a further two thousand years of non-Godliness. Some Jews believe that the Messiah must come before the end of this period, or by about 2270 CE.


Nazism

See also: Reich
The most controversial interpretation of the Three Ages philosophy and of millennialism in general is Adolf Hitler's "Third Reich" ("Drittes Reich"), which in his vision would last for a thousand years to come ("Tausendjähriges Reich"), but which ultimately only lasted for 12 years (1933–1945).

The phrase "Third Reich", which eventually became a catchphrase that survived the Nazi regime, was originally coined by the German thinker Arthur Moeller van den Bruck, who in 1923 published a book titled Das Dritte Reich. Looking back at German history, he distinguished two separate periods, and identified them with the ages of Joachim of Fiore:

the Holy Roman Empire (beginning with Charlemagne in AD 800) -- (the "First Reich"), --The Age of the Father and
the German Empire -- under the Hohenzollern dynasty (1871–1918) (the "Second Reich") -- The Age of the Son.

After the interval of the Weimar Republic (1918–1933), during which constitutionalism, parliamentarism and even pacifism ruled, these were then to be followed by:

the "Third Reich" -- The Age of the Holy Ghost.

Although van den Bruck was unimpressed by Hitler when he met him in 1922 and did not join the Nazi Party, the phrase was nevertheless adopted by the Nazis to describe the totalitarian state they wanted to set up when they gained power, which they succeeded in doing in 1933. Later, however, the Nazi authorities banned the informal use of "Third Reich" throughout the German press in the summer of 1939, instructing it to use more official terms such as "German Reich", "Greater German Reich", and "National Socialist Germany" exclusively.[12]

During the early part of the Third Reich many Germans also referred to Hitler as being the German Messiah, especially when he conducted the Nuremberg Rallies, which came to be held at a date somewhat before the Autumn Equinox in Nuremberg, Germany.



and so on.

Amillennialism ain't responsible for any of this Carnal Kingdom stuff (war)
You got it backwards.
 
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meecha

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#63
Not all Evangelicals are Zionists or Dispensationists. One would hope that not all modern Covenental Amillennials are willing to hold hands with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (Iran's confrontational president) either.

However, if one had to show historically which side, Evangelicals or Covenentals, are in league with Satan, the evidence would clearly point toward Covenentals by a landslide.
Let's throw some mud around shalll we and maybe some will stick. This is embarrassing stuff Crossfire. Do you actually know what Covenant theology is? And what theology do you hold to in opposition to it? Any chance of an explanation on that ...so far we are in league with anti semites Hitler and Muslims:D. Any chance of some substance?
You use the term Replacement Theology. What do you understand Replacement Theology to be? In my experience Replacement Theology is a pegorative term used by dispensationalists to appeal to the mob.
Covenant Theology in it's simplist form is the idea that God chooses a people for Himself from Abraham who live lives of faith....that God has one people and that people are the people who trust Him. Being a Jew does not "get you in" if you do not live a life of faith which today means trust in Yeshua ha Mashiach as the Messiah of Israel and saviour of the world. Thus there is no salvation outside the Church. The Church is God's people...only the Church is God's people. It's just standard New Testament stuff.
Dispensationalism holds to the idea that God has 2 peoples.:eek:
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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#64
Covenant Theology in it's simplist form is the idea that God chooses a people for Himself from Abraham who live lives of faith....{snip}
Dispensationalism holds to the idea that God has 2 peoples.:eek:
And then there's the radical idea that God created the universe and everything in it, loves ALL of his creatures, and gives every single person the opportunity to accept his gift of grace, no matter what race they are.

God has billions of children, not one or two. And I can't even believe that I'm having this conversation in 2012.
 
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edward99

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Let's throw some mud around shalll we and maybe some will stick. This is embarrassing stuff Crossfire. Do you actually know what Covenant theology is? And what theology do you hold to in opposition to it? Any chance of an explanation on that ...so far we are in league with anti semites Hitler and Muslims:D. Any chance of some substance?
No kidding.

You use the term Replacement Theology. What do you understand Replacement Theology to be? In my experience Replacement Theology is a pegorative term used by dispensationalists to appeal to the mob.
True.
How can the ekklesia replace itself?

Covenant Theology in it's simplist form is the idea that God chooses a people for Himself from Abraham who live lives of faith....that God has one people and that people are the people who trust Him. Being a Jew does not "get you in" if you do not live a life of faith which today means trust in Yeshua ha Mashiach as the Messiah of Israel and saviour of the world. Thus there is no salvation outside the Church. The Church is God's people...only the Church is God's people. It's just standard New Testament stuff.
Nuff said, Meecha.